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Postby dodecahedron on Wed Apr 16, 2003 11:57 am

happy Passover to everyone :)
enjoy the Seder.

and if you steal the Afikoman - ask for a Sony DVD burner! :P
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Postby aviationwiz on Wed Apr 16, 2003 4:02 pm

Oh well, no bread for 8 days or whatever it is. I'm quite happy with my Ricoh 5125 so I think I'll ask for a WD Raptor. :wink:

Happy Passover to all.
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Postby dodecahedron on Wed Apr 16, 2003 8:37 pm

aviationwiz wrote:Oh well, no bread for 8 days or whatever it is.

freezer stocked with bread, rolls, pitas... :wink:
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Postby Inertia on Wed Apr 16, 2003 10:13 pm

Happy Passover, dodecahedron. :)
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Postby CDRecorder on Thu Apr 17, 2003 10:31 am

Happy Passover! 8)
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Postby aviationwiz on Thu Apr 17, 2003 4:35 pm

dodecahedron wrote:
aviationwiz wrote:Oh well, no bread for 8 days or whatever it is.

freezer stocked with bread, rolls, pitas... :wink:


Well, you sure will be enjoying a nice meal in 6 days consisting of bread, bread, and more bread. Thats unfair, you only have to fast for 7 days while we have to fast for 8 days. :(

My cousins couldn't even find the Afikomon, they had to have which room it was in told to them. I asked for a Sony DVD Burner :wink: Considering I don't even use the one I have now, why get another one. Thats what they said.
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Postby dodecahedron on Thu Apr 17, 2003 5:03 pm

aviationwiz wrote:Well, you sure will be enjoying a nice meal in 6 days consisting of bread, bread, and more bread. Thats unfair, you only have to fast for 7 days while we have to fast for 8 days. :(

OK, it's not like you really have to fast!

aviationwiz wrote:My cousins couldn't even find the Afikomon, they had to have which room it was in told to them. I asked for a Sony DVD Burner :wink:

yeah, that's usually how it goes... :wink:

aviationwiz wrote:Considering I don't even use the one I have now, why get another one. Thats what they said.

why don't you send it to me them? :wink:
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Postby CDRecorder on Thu Apr 17, 2003 9:39 pm

aviationwiz wrote:My cousins couldn't even find the Afikomon, they had to have which room it was in told to them.


What is the Afikomon, and what is it you are doing with it? I haven't heard about this before, and would be interested to know. :D
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Postby aviationwiz on Thu Apr 17, 2003 10:13 pm

The Afikomon is half of the middle matzah. (There are 10 matzah, so #5.)

Anyways, the Afikomon is hidden, and the youngest kids go and look for it. Then they are given a reward of some sort, in my family, it is cash, in other families it may be different.
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Postby CDRecorder on Thu Apr 17, 2003 10:39 pm

Thanks, aviationwiz! That's neat! 8)
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Postby dodecahedron on Fri Apr 18, 2003 6:05 am

LiteOnGuy wrote:What is the Afikomon, and what is it you are doing with it? I haven't heard about this before, and would be interested to know. :D


the Passover holiday meal, the Seder, is a very elaborate ritual. it is a celebration of freedom, remembering the release of the Hebrews from slavery in Egypt. however parts of form of the ritual originates from Greek/Helenistic wine feasts.

there are some specific things that have to be set on the table. one of them is 3 matzos (3, aviationwiz, not 10). usually they are placed in a sort of cloth "envelope" usually embroidered etc.

parts of these 3 matzos are eaten at particular points during the feast.

now one of the "rules" is that the middle matza, which is called Afikoman, must be eaten by the end of the feast. the feast isn't ended until the Afikoman is eaten, everyone must eat a piece of it, and if you don't you haven't fulfulled your religious duties of this holiday, and can't leave the table.

so tradition has it that the young kids "steal" the Afikoman sometime during the festivity (usually when the grownups are "looking away" to help them do so), and hide it away someplace in the house. since the Afikoman must be eaten to conclude the Seder, the head of the household, who "runs" the Seder, looks for it but fails to find it. at which point the youngsters blackmail him into promising them various gifts.

other variations exist: the head of the Seder "hides" the Afikoman himself, as a preemptive measure, knowing that if he doesn't the kids will steal it from him etc, but he hides it in such a way that the kids will find it, take it away and hide it again someplace else. when he goes to fetch it, surprise surprise it's gone, kids blackmail to get presents etc.


so you see, the Jewish tradition of scrounging for money (known as "Schnorr" in Yiddish) has very deep roots! :D
(i'm Jewish, so i can say this sentence and not be accused of being an Antisemite! :wink:
although i may be accused of being an AntiDentite :wink: )
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Postby MediumRare on Fri Apr 18, 2003 9:15 am

Thanks for the explanation- it's amazing how little one knows about ones neighbours.
dodecahedron wrote:so you see, the Jewish tradition of scrounging for money (known as "Schnorr" in Yiddish) has very deep roots! :D
(i'm Jewish, so i can say this sentence and not be accused of being an Antisemite! :wink:
although i may be accused of being an AntiDentite :wink: )

Maybe it's more of a tradition of being "Kinderfreundlich" = good to kids. :D

What's an AntiDentite ? (associations of toothless dentist haters come to mind :wink: )

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Postby CDRecorder on Fri Apr 18, 2003 10:10 am

Thank you for your explanations dodecahedron and aviationwiz! 8) Happy Passover! :D
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Postby aviationwiz on Fri Apr 18, 2003 10:32 am

dodecahedron wrote:
there are some specific things that have to be set on the table. one of them is 3 matzos (3, aviationwiz, not 10). usually they are placed in a sort of cloth "envelope" usually embroidered etc.


Well, we had ten matzos at our Seder, three would not have been enough.
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Postby dodecahedron on Fri Apr 18, 2003 11:36 am

MediumRare wrote:What's an AntiDentite ? (associations of toothless dentist haters come to mind :wink: )

it was a joke.
this is from a chapter in Seinfeld. where they make fun of the whole Antisemitism thing.
Jerry makes a few Dentist-jokes, and Kramer accuses him of being an Anti-Dentite. :wink:

avaiationwiz wrote:Well, we had ten matzos at our Seder, three would not have been enough.

sure. but i'm talking about these 3 ceremonial matzos.
"regular" matzos, for just plain eating, there can be as many as you like.
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