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Postby NewYorker on Thu Feb 10, 2005 7:39 am

I recently got the LG GSA-4163B burner. The box states that it's able to read & write DVD-RAM at "2x, 3x, 5x(Ver. 2.2)"

But I can't find any 5x DVD-RAM media on the internet, nor any "Ver. 2.2."

Do they mean it can r & w 5x on a 3x media? And what's Ver. 2.2?
And where can I find it? \:D/

Also, I never used cartridge media, and the disc tray on this unit looks like a regular CD tray, so I think it can't use DVD-RAM that comes in a non-removable cartridge. Is this correct?

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Postby dodecahedron on Thu Feb 10, 2005 7:50 am

welcome to CDRLabs, NewYorker. :D

correct, the LG drives do not use DVD-RAM in cartridges.
the kind that comes in non-removeable cartridges is no use to you.
i think however that there is also cartridge DVD-RAM that you can remove the disc from the cartridge.

i seriously doubt it will be able to write at 5x to 3x media.
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Postby Ian on Thu Feb 10, 2005 8:57 am

dodecahedron wrote:i seriously doubt it will be able to write at 5x to 3x media.


Nope, it can't and unfortunately 5x DVD-RAM media is very hard to find. 3x media is finally becoming commonplace so it will probably be awhile before 5x media shows up at your local Walmart.
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Thu Feb 10, 2005 10:53 am

5x DVD-RAM is available from any professional Maxell dealer in Canada or the U.S. Maxell has in excess of 300,000pcs for all of North America... and given this is DVD-RAM we're talking about, that ought to last everyone for quite some time :wink:

Of course it's roughly 2x the price of 3x DVD-RAM :o
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Thanks. Follow-up question: Anyone know of 5x Double-Sided?

Postby NewYorker on Thu Feb 10, 2005 11:49 am

Thanks folks, for your quick help.
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The drive manufacturers should really include some mention of the different DVD-RAM cartridge types, capacities, etc. This info can fit on a small card.

I found 5x DVD-RAM on the Maxell website. Unfortunately, it's not available in double-sided. If I have to choose between double-sided and 5x, I'll go w/double-sided because I intend to use DVD-RAM for backing up a PC - and double-sided means fewer discs to manage, although half the time it will result in a wasted ( unused) 4.7 Gig of disc space (on the last disc of a backup).

FOLLOW-UP QUESTION: Does anyone know of 5x Double-Sided (9.4 Gig) DVD-RAM discs without cartridges?
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Re: Thanks. Follow-up question: Anyone know of 5x Double-Si

Postby dolphinius_rex on Thu Feb 10, 2005 12:38 pm

NewYorker wrote:
FOLLOW-UP QUESTION: Does anyone know of 5x Double-Sided (9.4 Gig) DVD-RAM discs without cartridges?


Maxell has made no annoucements, and since the media doesn't even come with a cartridge at this time, I'm not sure how far it's going to be advanced that way.

Optodisc, the #2 leader in DVD-RAM technology (the ONLY company I'm aware of that Maxell will oem DVD-RAM production to!) may be another thing entirely though. Although Optodisc has not released their 5x DVD-RAM media yet. Trust me... I keep trying to get it :wink:
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Postby Scour on Thu Feb 10, 2005 2:54 pm

Hello!

Here in Germany I can´t find 5x DVD-RAM, too. From Optodisc only 3x media avaible, same with Vebatim, Maxell and Panasonic. From Ritek I only found 2x-media
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Postby jsl on Thu Feb 10, 2005 3:39 pm

Scour wrote:Hello!

Here in Germany I can´t find 5x DVD-RAM, too. From Optodisc only 3x media avaible, same with Vebatim, Maxell and Panasonic. From Ritek I only found 2x-media

Panasonic 5x DVD-RAM is available at for example feurio.com ...for about the same price as a DVD+R DL disc...
Cheaper at technikdirekt.de but probably not in stock.
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Postby supraman215 on Thu Feb 10, 2005 5:07 pm

let me ask another question on this thread related to DVD-RAM, ignoring the lack of compatability with a variety of players and DVD drives, and assuming it was only for bakcing up data files, which is better to use? DVD-RAM or DVD-RW?

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Postby dolphinius_rex on Thu Feb 10, 2005 6:18 pm

supraman215 wrote:let me ask another question on this thread related to DVD-RAM, ignoring the lack of compatability with a variety of players and DVD drives, and assuming it was only for bakcing up data files, which is better to use? DVD-RAM or DVD-RW?

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DVD-RAM... it has more error correction and checking built into the format.
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Postby Scour on Thu Feb 10, 2005 7:29 pm

supraman215 wrote:let me ask another question on this thread related to DVD-RAM, ignoring the lack of compatability with a variety of players and DVD drives, and assuming it was only for bakcing up data files, which is better to use? DVD-RAM or DVD-RW?

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DVD-RAM is more safely than any RW-disc, had a better error-management.
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Re: Thanks. Follow-up question: Anyone know of 5x Double-Si

Postby NewYorker on Fri Feb 11, 2005 12:40 am

Although Optodisc has not released their 5x DVD-RAM media yet.



Optodisc site http://www.optodisc.com/v_dvd-ram.html shows 5x 9.4 Gig is out. I haven't had time to see if it's actually available for purchase.
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Re: Thanks. Follow-up question: Anyone know of 5x Double-Si

Postby dolphinius_rex on Fri Feb 11, 2005 2:01 pm

NewYorker wrote:
Although Optodisc has not released their 5x DVD-RAM media yet.



Optodisc site http://www.optodisc.com/v_dvd-ram.html shows 5x 9.4 Gig is out. I haven't had time to see if it's actually available for purchase.


Yes... that information has existed since last year :wink:

I'll know as soon as Optodisc releases their 5x DVD-RAM media, don't worry! I've been bitching to them about it long enough :lol:
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Postby frank1 on Sat Sep 03, 2005 7:57 am

5X certified DVD-RAM are sold here on the german website os-mediatrade:
http://www.os-mediatrade.de/product_inf ... cts_id=445

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It is the brand Panasonic and the MID code given by the vendor is MXL16
[Carefull: on the same site there are other ones 2~3x certified of MID code M01 J3002]



I have also been able tu buy these Panasonic 2~5x certified DVD-RAM
in a removable cartridge [type 2] for 5,99 € a piece
at MediaMarkt in Freiburg im Breisgau:
in DVD Identifier I got the MID code MXL16 for this label ...
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My sample has the same generall logo but there is no japanese written on it.

On the rigt side at the bottom you can read:
Anti-sratch coating
Made in Japan
LM-HB47ME

So it looks like they put anti-scratch coated discs in the cartridge for the case you removed them , nice !

On the back of the package there is a code EAN for Europe and an other code UPC for America.
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Postby Darth on Sat Sep 03, 2005 10:04 am

i have the Panasonic 5x LM-AF120ME as shown in the first pic

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but the code is not MXL16

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                            Media Information                           
Region information                                    N/A not a DVD-VIDEO
MediaCode                    Matsu****aElectricIndustrialCO.,LTD.M01J5006
Format Type                                                      UDF 2.00
Volume Name                                                       MEI_UDF
Application id                                                           
Implementation id                                                 MEI_VED
Recording Date/Time (mm/dd/yyyy)                       4/30/2005 20:01:44
Format Capacity                                            4.27GB(4.58GB)
Book Type                                                         DVD-RAM
Media Type                                                        DVD-RAM
Available Write Descriptor                          zCLV  5.0x   6925KBps
Data area starting sector                                          31000h
Data area end sector                                              22211Fh
Linear Density                                                0.280um/bit
Track Density                                               0.615um/track
Number of Layers                                                        1
                                                                         
                           Complete Media Code                           
00000220 0F 09 0B 0D 0E 09 0B 0D 0E 4D 61 74 73 75 73 68 .........Matsush
00000230 69 74 61 20 45 6C 65 63 74 72 69 63 20 49 6E 64 ita Electric Ind
00000240 75 73 74 72 69 61 6C 20 43 4F 2E 2C 4C 54 44 2E ustrial CO.,LTD.
00000250 0D 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 4D 30 31 4A 35 30 30 .        M01J500
00000260 36 0D 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 01 01 7D 04 78 34 34 6.       ..}.x44
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Postby Scour on Sat Sep 03, 2005 10:52 am

Hello!

Just wonder why the european version of the Panasonic is from Maxell and the asian/american from Panasonic itself :-?
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Sat Sep 03, 2005 2:09 pm

Scour wrote:Hello!

Just wonder why the european version of the Panasonic is from Maxell and the asian/american from Panasonic itself :-?


The question becomes, who is making a Panasonic MID code I think :wink:

I might be wrong, but I don't think Panasonic actually *HAS* a manufacturing plant for media.
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Postby Scour on Sat Sep 03, 2005 6:14 pm

dolphinius_rex wrote:
I might be wrong, but I don't think Panasonic actually *HAS* a manufacturing plant for media.


Never was in Japan, so I don´t know ;)
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Postby RJW on Sun Sep 04, 2005 2:28 pm

dolphinius_rex wrote:
Scour wrote:Hello!

Just wonder why the european version of the Panasonic is from Maxell and the asian/american from Panasonic itself :-?


The question becomes, who is making a Panasonic MID code I think :wink:

I might be wrong, but I don't think Panasonic actually *HAS* a manufacturing plant for media.


According to Panasonic own words they do have own manufactureing facilities.
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Mon Sep 05, 2005 2:21 am

RJW wrote:
dolphinius_rex wrote:
Scour wrote:Hello!

Just wonder why the european version of the Panasonic is from Maxell and the asian/american from Panasonic itself :-?


The question becomes, who is making a Panasonic MID code I think :wink:

I might be wrong, but I don't think Panasonic actually *HAS* a manufacturing plant for media.


According to Panasonic own words they do have own manufactureing facilities.


And according to Princo, they ONLY make A Grade media... :roll:
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Postby RJW on Mon Sep 05, 2005 6:54 am

Yeah but then again who says that princo's A-grade aren't normally what other manufacturers most times would rade as C-grade or lower.
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Postby Darth on Mon Sep 05, 2005 8:03 am

well, comparing serial numbers would solve give us an answer

me Panasonic (MID Matsushita) 5x disc has "Z5V5430A140034?" in the middle of the disc. The serial no is sort of sandwiched between 2 layers of polycarbonate.
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