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Fuji+LTR52327S - You might wanna take a look at this.

Postby Harrier on Fri Sep 26, 2003 11:14 am

I'm stunned.
This is by far the most amazing read result i have ever had with my LTR52327S.

The reason i'm actually amazed by this is because i once bought a Fuji Cdr and burned it. It was in the time had the beloved LTR52246S.
The K-probe graph made me nauseous as it reached an average of about 86 C1 Errors ps though it had no C2 Errors.

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What is even more interesting is the same cdr as above scanned with my LTR52327S:
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Doesn't it make think about the differences between the LR52246S and the LTR52327S when it comes down to C1/C2 scans?

(You might wanna refresh with the results in my posting here:
http://www.cdrlabs.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=10662&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0)

So the other day i was walking some store and thought "What the Hell?".
I've seen it (Fuji) pumping C1 errors on the LTR52246S but what about the LTR52327S?
Now, bear in mind that the Fuji cdrs in Israel are not made by TY rather then in Made In Germany.

So i burned an Audio cd at 12X and scanned it at 52X.
The results are amazing (dodecahedron you might be a bit interested):
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Now there have been some comments about Fuji ditching TY and making their own cdrs and i say: They had a rather good reason.

So the next thing i did was to check both Fujis (the older - Burned by the LTR52246S and the newer - Burned by the LTR52327S) to get a clue of a change of some sort.
And i've found them to differ in the serial numbering which are over the hub.

The Older has this "E3171016B2" and the new has "H317101G5 00".

My Ritek don't even perform as the Fuji did (though are also very good and reliable cdrs).
Here is Ritek cdrs Certified for 40X burned with Audio at 12X:

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Now i know that when it comes down to an such modest amounts of C1 errors the difference is minor.

Even thought it's nice knowing Fuji (Germany) are able to produce such high quality cdrs..
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Postby CDRecorder on Fri Sep 26, 2003 1:56 pm

Wow, that's interesting, Harrier.

I have observed a similar (but far less drastic) result, too. Often, my LTR-52327S reports less errors than does my LTR-48125W, but sometimes, the LTR-48125W reports less.
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Postby rdgrimes on Fri Sep 26, 2003 3:09 pm

There seems to be a small trend of increased problem reports with TY, though they appear to be specific to batches. The last TY/Fuji spindle I bought has the best results I've ever seen. I have a few more on the shelf, one day I'll get them down and try a few from each spindle.

Harrier, can you see any anomaly on the crappy burn? does the burned side look normal?
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Postby MediumRare on Fri Sep 26, 2003 4:09 pm

rdgrimes- they're not TY, they're Fuji (made in Germany).

I was always curious about these Fuji's but only recently tried one. It was quite good- mean C1 ~ 0.2, but not quite as good as the Fuji-branded RiTEKs I got, which scan pretty much like Harrier's. I reported on these in the Media Compatibility Thread.

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Postby rdgrimes on Fri Sep 26, 2003 4:21 pm

they're not TY, they're Fuji


Oh, DUH :oops:
that's what I get for staring at this screen for too long.
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Postby Spazmogen on Sat Sep 27, 2003 7:52 am

I thought Fuji stopped production @ the Germany plant due to quality problems a few months ago. Has it started production again?

I've started buying a few spindles with the screw-cap to have on hand.

Between the Germany plant & Prodisc cd-r's, I'm not full of confidence with Fuji's newer discs...
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Postby Harrier on Sat Sep 27, 2003 10:17 am

Spazmogen wrote:I thought Fuji stopped production @ the Germany plant due to quality problems a few months ago. Has it started production again?

I've started buying a few spindles with the screw-cap to have on hand.

Between the Germany plant & Prodisc cd-r's, I'm not full of confidence with Fuji's newer discs...


Is there any chance you could forward us to a photo of such spindle?
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Postby cfitz on Sat Sep 27, 2003 12:21 pm

The screw-top packages are TY's old style packaging:

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(see http://www.cdrlabs.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=7280)

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Postby MediumRare on Sat Sep 27, 2003 4:34 pm

spazmogen wrote:I thought Fuji stopped production @ the Germany plant due to quality problems a few months ago. Has it started production again?

I just did a search and (as far as I can tell) the information came from Gary Kokkin in April. But that's all I've heard about that. Fact is, though, I bought my first (and only) "Fuji Made in Germany" disc, rated 52x, a week ago. 79 Eurocents. They look similar to this:
Image except that they're 52x. The spindle of Fujis I picked up 2 weeks ago (expecting Fuji/Germany) were made by RiTEK.
spazmogen wrote:Between the Germany plant & Prodisc cd-r's, I'm not full of confidence with Fuji's newer discs...

Well, they do say "Made in Germany", and apparently all the TYs are "Made in Japan"- so if you can see the media before you buy, you'll be OK. The spindle with RiTEKs didn't have any information on "Made in x".

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Postby Gary Kokkin on Thu Jan 08, 2004 9:30 pm

I Confirm again above . The only "made in Germany" label CDR is on jewel case.

Recently bought similar spindle of 50 CDRS -48x with only Germany's Fuji's Factory ID and not "Made in Germany " were Ritek too!
(hope from "Primediscs"/Ritek plant in Germany)
Costs 20euro


Disc Type = CDR (A-)
Lead In = 97:15:17
Lead Out = 79:59:70
Nominal = 702.82MB (79m 59s 70f/LBA:359845)
Manufacturer = RiTEK Corporation
Cur. Speed = Wrt(52X),Rd(32X)
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