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Postby stix on Sat Oct 29, 2005 1:13 am

Miers bites the dust. An indictment for "Scooter" Libby.
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Postby eric93se on Sat Oct 29, 2005 6:42 pm

I wonder if Scooter is going to be the scape goat or something much bigger, like a stepping stone (to maybe cough**Impeachment**cough). :o
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Postby Boba_Fett on Sat Oct 29, 2005 8:27 pm

Do you guys really feel better at night when you push your pro-hate agenda at a freakin' CD-R/DVD-R forum?
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Postby Ian on Sat Oct 29, 2005 8:53 pm

I don't think anyone is pushing hate here. Even as someone that's pro-Bush, you gotta admit that is a pretty funny picture.

As far as Libby goes, the administration messed up. That's a fact. How far it goes up the chain is still in question though.
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Postby hoxlund on Sun Oct 30, 2005 2:22 am

dude, this whole country is always about suppressing consipiracys

and escape goats

and turning the public's eye away from something else
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Postby bill on Sun Oct 30, 2005 11:13 am

I voted for this administration twice. But if someone screwed a CIA operative they should be held accountable. All this talk about fighting terror and it appears that someone leaked a covert CIA employees name. How stupid and contradictory can they be? Republican or Dems, none of them should be above the law.

Both parties think they are on some kind of pedestal. It's time for the court system start beating back the arrogance.
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Postby Boba_Fett on Sun Oct 30, 2005 12:05 pm

bill wrote:I voted for this administration twice. But if someone screwed a CIA operative they should be held accountable. All this talk about fighting terror and it appears that someone leaked a covert CIA employees name. How stupid and contradictory can they be? Republican or Dems, none of them should be above the law.

Both parties think they are on some kind of pedestal. It's time for the court system start beating back the arrogance.


I agree. Anyone who would threaten a CIA agent's life by doing something like that should be at the least releaved of their job. The thing I have a problem with is that nearly every Bush hater think HE'S the one who did it (or at least the one who authorized it). No proof needed, it's always Bush's fault :roll:
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Postby bill on Sun Oct 30, 2005 12:59 pm

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bill wrote:I voted for this administration twice. But if someone screwed a CIA operative they should be held accountable. All this talk about fighting terror and it appears that someone leaked a covert CIA employees name. How stupid and contradictory can they be? Republican or Dems, none of them should be above the law.

Both parties think they are on some kind of pedestal. It's time for the court system start beating back the arrogance.


The thing I have a problem with is that nearly every Bush hater think HE'S the one who did it (or at least the one who authorized it). No proof needed, it's always Bush's fault :roll:



You're right and I appreciate your point. But that's just politics and I'm trying to learn not to take it seriously :^o .

In fairness, after enduring eight years of Clinton I was like a rabid dog frothing at the mouth :D . I can appreciate how the less conservative might feel about Bush. If people don't let off a little steam and have some fun they start blowing shit up.


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Postby Boba_Fett on Sun Oct 30, 2005 1:27 pm

Heh heh. Tru dat ;)
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Postby LoneWolf on Tue Nov 01, 2005 10:00 am

bill wrote:You're right and I appreciate your point. But that's just politics and I'm trying to learn not to take it seriously :^o .

In fairness, after enduring eight years of Clinton I was like a rabid dog frothing at the mouth :D . I can appreciate how the less conservative might feel about Bush. If people don't let off a little steam and have some fun they start blowing shit up. .


And I've finally gotten to the point in my life where I've sadly discovered (and yet wonder why it took so long) that neither party is better than the other. Both are now about big government rather than the Repub's being about small government. Both are more about personal power (each congressman with his/her own turf) than they are about serving their constituents or their country. Both will heed the wishes of corps. above the desires of voters, unless it conflicts with their own personal agendas. Few of them think about the long-term effects of their current decisions; only that which affects them while they hold office. And finally, very few of them govern based on what they believe in their hearts is morally right --assuming they have morality.

It's a sad thing; there are few that run that are truly worthy of voting for. Those that I can truly respect would never run for public office (some would say this is out of greater wisdom), and those who are least likely to abuse power are least likely to want it as well.
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Postby bill on Tue Nov 01, 2005 8:43 pm

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And I've finally gotten to the point in my life where I've sadly discovered (and yet wonder why it took so long) that neither party is better than the other. Both are now about big government rather than the Repub's being about small government. Both are more about personal power (each congressman with his/her own turf) than they are about serving their constituents or their country. Both will heed the wishes of corps. above the desires of voters, unless it conflicts with their own personal agendas. Few of them think about the long-term effects of their current decisions; only that which affects them while they hold office. And finally, very few of them govern based on what they believe in their hearts is morally right --assuming they have morality.

It's a sad thing; there are few that run that are truly worthy of voting for. Those that I can truly respect would never run for public office (some would say this is out of greater wisdom), and those who are least likely to abuse power are least likely to want it as well.



I don't think there are many people who vote for someone. Almost everyone I talk to votes against a candidate...

So what's the solution, a different method of funding the electoral process? Get the corporations out and "we the people" fund the elections through taxation?
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Postby eric93se on Tue Nov 01, 2005 11:26 pm

There was an interesting article in Comsumer Reports magazine. The fact that gasoline engines have stayed pretty fuel inefficient for the last 20 years has more to do with people in congress getting paid off by auto manufacturers to get them to vote in their favor, than science and technology. I wonder what the world would be like without corruption :-?
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Postby Ian on Wed Nov 02, 2005 1:09 am

eric93se wrote:There was an interesting article in Comsumer Reports magazine. The fact that gasoline engines have stayed pretty fuel inefficient for the last 20 years has more to do with people in congress getting paid off by auto manufacturers to get them to vote in their favor, than science and technology. I wonder what the world would be like without corruption :-?


Hell yeah. You always hear stories of the engines that get 80 mpg or run on water that are bought up by the oil industry.

It's worse now more than ever with Bush in the white house. His oil buddies pretty much put him there.
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Postby Boba_Fett on Wed Nov 02, 2005 2:47 am

Ian wrote:It's worse now more than ever with Bush in the white house. His oil buddies pretty much put him there.


Is that a fair statement? If Big Oil was a deciding factor in presidental elections (assuming GWB is owned by Big Oil... of course a lot of liberals seem to think this is true), why did Bill Clinton hold on for 8 years?

I just wish people who have a slanted view of Bush could stop drinking the hateoraid for just one second and truely analyze the facts...
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Postby Ian on Wed Nov 02, 2005 8:44 am

Clinton had his own backers (didn't communist China give him money?). Bush was an oil exec before he was governor and now president. It's not surprising that he sides with them.

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Postby eric93se on Wed Nov 02, 2005 11:52 am

The next round is on me.

Its looks pretty bad though, since bush's family is in bussiness with the binladen family (oil interests ofcouse not terrorism, or are they the same ) and osama is no were to be found. Wasn't he #1 :roll:
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Postby bill on Wed Nov 02, 2005 10:01 pm

eric93se wrote:The next round is on me.

Its looks pretty bad though, since bush's family is in bussiness with the binladen family (oil interests ofcouse not terrorism, or are they the same ) and osama is no were to be found. Wasn't he #1 :roll:



You know thats communist propaganda!


President Bush has been busy with other issues... Since he has assumed 100% control of Boot Mobile he has made it his personal responsibility to increase the company profits.

You might find this link interesting. I wish it had a little more detail- http://www.opensecrets.org/bush/index.asp

Banks and lawyers appear to the most active. Why is that not a surprise?
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Postby eric93se on Thu Nov 03, 2005 1:55 am

:lol: who you call'n a commi! :lol:

Hey did you ever see Farenheit 911, its slow at times, but they make the connection between bush's family and the bin laden family.

Yeah bush is busy now, avian bird flu deserves 10 billion dollars :) , anything to smoke screen current issues in the white house.
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Postby Ian on Thu Nov 03, 2005 3:25 pm

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Postby bill on Thu Nov 03, 2005 8:16 pm

eric93se wrote::lol: who you call'n a commi! :lol:

Hey did you ever see Farenheit 911, its slow at times, but they make the connection between bush's family and the bin laden family.

Yeah bush is busy now, avian bird flu deserves 10 billion dollars :) , anything to smoke screen current issues in the white house.



Yes, I watched Moores movie. Don't really remember much about it but at the time I wasn't impressed. I was expecting, hoping, to see a documentary but it was more like listening to Rush Limbaugh when he has nothing to talk about. Attack, attack, attack but no debate between different points of view.

I'll try to watch it again with a better attitude. :wink:
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Postby bill on Thu Nov 03, 2005 8:23 pm



Ok, I'll give you kudos for that one! :lol:
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Postby LoneWolf on Thu Nov 03, 2005 10:07 pm

bill wrote:I don't think there are many people who vote for someone. Almost everyone I talk to votes against a candidate...

So what's the solution, a different method of funding the electoral process? Get the corporations out and "we the people" fund the elections through taxation?

Right now, I'd be interested in eliminating the Electoral College and seeing instant run-off voting implemented. This would encourage more voting for third-party candidates, and possibly indicate that the people of the United States are tired of feeling like they have to choose between the lesser of two evils.

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Postby LoneWolf on Thu Nov 03, 2005 10:15 pm

eric93se wrote::lol: who you call'n a commi! :lol:

Hey did you ever see Farenheit 911, its slow at times, but they make the connection between bush's family and the bin laden family.

Yeah bush is busy now, avian bird flu deserves 10 billion dollars :) , anything to smoke screen current issues in the white house.
Michael Moore is an absolute fraud. I trust him as much as I trust Oliver Stone when it comes to political movies, but at least Stone doesn't have the gall to call his films documentaries.

I'd say the same thing if Moore went after Clinton the way he has after Bush, and I say the same thing about "Bowling for Columbine". When Moore has an agenda, he has no problem taking quotes out of context, shifting the timeline of when events actually happened, and the like to make the point he wants to. The problem is, that each event he shows in a film might be a fact on its own, but he uses slight-of-hand to combine them in a way that produces extremely misleading conclusions. The Wall Street Journal themselves called him out on "Bowling for Columbine"; if you research everything that went into the film, it isn't hard to find the flaws.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/forms/pri ... =110003233

If I can't trust Michael Moore on the first film, there's no way I'll trust him on something like Fahrenheit 911. I still can't believe he won an Oscar in the documentary category. I'm not pro-Bush (nor was I pro-Kerry): what I am is pro-truth. Moore ain't it.
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