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In House Review - LG GSA-2166D USB 2.0 Super-Multi DVD±RW/RA

Postby Ian on Mon Oct 31, 2005 1:10 pm

To kick off the week, CDRLabs has taken a look at LG's new LightScribe enabled "Super-Multi" drive, the GSA-2166D. Sporting some pretty impressive specs, the GSA-2166D is capable of 16x DVD±R, 8x DVD+RW, 6x DVD-RW, 8x DVD+R DL, 4x DVD-R DL and 5x DVD-RAM writing speeds and a maximum DVD read speed of 16x. Along with support for LightScribe, the GSA-2166D also includes features like 48x CD reading and writing speeds, 32x rewriting speeds, and a software bundle from Nero and CyberLink.

In this review we'll take a look at the features found on the GSA-2166D and see how it compares to some of the DVD±RW drives from the competition. Does LG's new "Super-Multi" drive have what it takes? You'll have to read the review to find out.

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Postby Ian on Mon Oct 31, 2005 1:35 pm

Small rant..

Over the past few weeks I've been going back and forth with LG, talking about some of the issues with this drive. At one point, they sent a long a PDF showing that PC World had given the GSA-2166D their "Best Buy" award.

http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/article/ ... 779,00.asp

As many of you know, I have little respect for publications like PC World. They rarely, if ever, look beyond the specs on the box and this is a great example of that.
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Postby Scour on Mon Oct 31, 2005 1:36 pm

Hello!

Great review again, Ian :)

Now LG uses for 16x DVD-writing CAV, not P-CAV, with CD-R now CAV and not Z-CLV, DVD-R/+R-reading in now 16x.

Could it be that LG switched to Mediatek-chipset or something? It´s conspicuous that the most Kprobe-scans looks so good and the Benq-scans look totally different; it´s like scanning a burned media from a Liteon-writer.
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Postby Ian on Mon Oct 31, 2005 1:38 pm

Scour wrote:Could it be that LG switched to Mediatek-chipset or something?


I'll get back to you on that. I have a GSA-4166B at home that I can crack open.

I am kind of surprised by the lack of firmware updates for this drive. The GSA-4167B has gotten 2 already.. and the 2166D/4166B has gotten none. The way it sounds, there won't be any for a few months either.
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Postby Scour on Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:03 pm

Ian wrote:
I'll get back to you on that. I have a GSA-4166B at home that I can crack open.

I am kind of surprised by the lack of firmware updates for this drive. The GSA-4167B has gotten 2 already.. and the 2166D/4166B has gotten none. The way it sounds, there won't be any for a few months either.


Thanks for cracking ;)

Do you know the burst-rate for the external enclosure and which chipset it uses for IDE to USB?

The 4166/2166 was later avaible than the 4167, at least in Germany. Maybe this is the reason for less FW-updates?

In the specs I raed that the 2166 uses Z-CLV for 8x DVD-writing; but I guess that Liteon uses 8x P-CAV.
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Postby Ian on Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:09 pm

Scour wrote:Do you know the burst-rate for the external enclosure and which chipset it uses for IDE to USB?


No idea. I'll try to find out.
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Postby ItalianJob on Mon Oct 31, 2005 6:04 pm

Great ! Thanks for the test 8)

I wonder why LG still doesn't do PI/PIF/jitter scanning ! What are they waiting for ? :cry:
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Mon Oct 31, 2005 7:17 pm

ItalianJob wrote:Great ! Thanks for the test 8)

I wonder why LG still doesn't do PI/PIF/jitter scanning ! What are they waiting for ? :cry:


Maybe they looked at the crap coming out of LiteON, NEC, and Pioneer and opted to not screw up?
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Postby Scour on Mon Oct 31, 2005 7:48 pm

dolphinius_rex wrote:Maybe they looked at the crap coming out of LiteON, NEC, and Pioneer and opted to not screw up?


Maybe.

But LG used imho the same chipset in their CD-RW-drives like Liteon and never make the CD-RW usable for scanning, is LG simply to lazy?
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Mon Oct 31, 2005 7:58 pm

Scour wrote:
dolphinius_rex wrote:Maybe they looked at the crap coming out of LiteON, NEC, and Pioneer and opted to not screw up?


Maybe.

But LG used imho the same chipset in their CD-RW-drives like Liteon and never make the CD-RW usable for scanning, is LG simply to lazy?


They probably just don't see a need to do it. Most people who use drives to scan media have no idea what they're doing anyways, and shouldn't (in my opinion) even have access to this level of power user software/hardware. They're more likely to miscalculate because of poorly interpreted data then help themselves, and LG probably understands the fact that most people don't need this sort of thing anymore then they need files listed in bytes instead of megabytes :P
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Postby ItalianJob on Mon Oct 31, 2005 8:39 pm

dolphinius_rex wrote:They probably just don't see a need to do it. Most people who use drives to scan media have no idea what they're doing anyways, and shouldn't (in my opinion) even have access to this level of power user software/hardware. They're more likely to miscalculate because of poorly interpreted data then help themselves, and LG probably understands the fact that most people don't need this sort of thing anymore then they need files listed in bytes instead of megabytes :P


Come on. Should they just believe the "burn successfully completed, go to sleep now !" message under Nero [-X
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Postby Scour on Mon Oct 31, 2005 8:54 pm

ItalianJob wrote:Come on. Should they just believe the "burn successfully completed, go to sleep now !" message under Nero [-X


Like Dolph said, the most people who buy a DVD-writer don´t know what a quality-scan is.

But it´s not nice, that a big manufacturer like LG don´t support scans, it could be a nice alternative to Benq and Liteon
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Postby ala42 on Mon Oct 31, 2005 9:05 pm

If you want to see the internals, look here. 4164 inside, using a Panasonic MN103SA6GSJ/Panasonic AN22113A chipset. The TEAC DV-W516E (aka Benq DQ60) uses Panasonic MN103SA6GSJ/Panasonic AN22115A. This might explain the bad writing results.
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Postby Scour on Mon Oct 31, 2005 9:07 pm

ala42 wrote:If you want to see the internals, look here. 4164 inside, using a Panasonic MN103SA6GSJ/Panasonic AN22113A chipset. The TEAC DV-W516E (aka Benq DQ60) uses Panasonic MN103SA6GSJ/Panasonic AN22115A. This might explain the bad writing results.


That means 2166=4164? Or I get it wrong?

Edit: The 4164 don´t support DVD-RAM, so the 2166 can´t be a 4164
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Postby ala42 on Mon Oct 31, 2005 9:24 pm

Maybe they ran out of labels :). Also check this thread.
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Postby Scour on Mon Oct 31, 2005 9:52 pm

ala42 wrote:Maybe they ran out of labels :). Also check this thread.


Now I´m confused :o

But heard a rumor that a new LG is on the way, maybe the 4168?
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Postby Ian on Mon Oct 31, 2005 9:56 pm

Scour wrote:Edit: The 4164 don´t support DVD-RAM, so the 2166 can´t be a 4164


The 4164 does support DVD-RAM. However, it doesn't support LightScribe. That is the difference. I'm guessing the hardware is identical though as its being flashed with the LightScribe firmware and being sold as the GSA-2166D.

As far as write quality testing goes, LG sells most of their drives to OEM's, most of which don't want to support this sort of feature.

I already took some pics of the chipsets so you're getting them anyway. Here they are..
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Postby eric93se on Mon Oct 31, 2005 10:02 pm

Ian, great review :)

Personally I'd consider the LG GSA-2166D a CD writer :D not a dvd burner :lol:
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Postby Ian on Mon Oct 31, 2005 10:08 pm

Scour wrote:But heard a rumor that a new LG is on the way, maybe the 4168?


Me too.. but all I've seen so far is rumors and speculation.

I think that many thought that the 4166B was going to be the LightScribe version of the 4165B. Using this formula, the 4168B would naturally be the LightScribe version of the 4167B. Of course, it didn't end up this way. The 4166B actually has faster DVD+R DL writing speeds than the 4167B.
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Postby MediumRare on Tue Nov 01, 2005 6:20 am

Great review, Ian.

Looks like they've got a lot of work to do on this drive. LG used to be known for conservative burning strategies, but the quality results with increasing error rates at the end of the disc suggest that they're burning too fast!

As to error scanning- I will never buy another drive that doesn't support this. I spend more time scanning than burning. :roll:

Ian- do you know how CD-Speeds ScanDisc works? The LG doesn't report C1/C2 but shows some plausible results whereas the Sony 810 (BenQ rebadge), which also doesn't report C2, doesn't- all sectors red.

Typo in the review: for the "Pressed CD" CD DAE results and CD-R both tables: there's a "Sony GSA-2166D" in column 1.

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Postby Scour on Tue Nov 01, 2005 7:43 am

Ian wrote:
I think that many thought that the 4166B was going to be the LightScribe version of the 4165B. Using this formula, the 4168B would naturally be the LightScribe version of the 4167B. Of course, it didn't end up this way. The 4166B actually has faster DVD+R DL writing speeds than the 4167B.


But the 4165 uses 16x P-CAV, the 4166 uses CAV.

BTW, the specs I read for the 4164 at cdr.cz are maybe wrong, they wrote nothing about DVD-RAM-support
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Postby Ian on Tue Nov 01, 2005 8:23 am

MediumRare wrote:Ian- do you know how CD-Speeds ScanDisc works? The LG doesn't report C1/C2 but shows some plausible results whereas the Sony 810 (BenQ rebadge), which also doesn't report C2, doesn't- all sectors red.


According to Erik Deppe, there are two ways of reporting C2 errors with CD Speed:

1) the standard MMC method which can be used in conjunction with audio CD ripping. This is the method which InfoTool reports and is supported by the GSA-2166D.

2) a vendor-specific method which can only be used for disc quality testing. This is supported by the BenQ 1640, but for whatever reason is broken on the Sony 810.
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Postby ItalianJob on Tue Nov 01, 2005 8:39 am

MediumRare wrote:Ian- do you know how CD-Speeds ScanDisc works? The LG doesn't report C1/C2 but shows some plausible results whereas the Sony 810 (BenQ rebadge), which also doesn't report C2, doesn't- all sectors red.


Which version are you using ? CD-DVD Speed 4.09.3 (here) seems to have solved a similar problem.

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Postby Ian on Tue Nov 01, 2005 10:47 am

ItalianJob wrote:Which version are you using ? CD-DVD Speed 4.09.3 (here) seems to have solved a similar problem.


Aside from the position and reported speed, its not really fixing anything. It's just displaying all "good" instead of all "bad". CD Speed 3.xx did the same thing with the DW1640.
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Postby hoxlund on Tue Nov 01, 2005 12:51 pm

sorry i didn't read this entire thread for this comment

but we carry this drive at best buy, just to let people know where to pick it up locally

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