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Postby MediumRare on Mon Jun 16, 2003 5:32 pm

I found some more media rated at < 48x. :D
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LiteOn LTR 48246S
Firmware SS0B...........Vision/MBI 80min 32X....................48X

CD-Speed: all green, KProbe: C1 max/ave: 30/5.9
ATIP from MInfo:
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Disc Type    = CDR (B-)             
Lead In      = 97:17:06
Lead Out     = 79:59:74
Nominal      = 702.83MB (79m 59s 74f/LBA:359849)
Manufacturer = Moser Baer India Limited
Cur. Speed   = Wrt(48X),Rd(32X)

It's a game. :D I really don't need these, but they were reduced by 50% to 1.90 Euro for 10 (paper sleeves) and hence are the cheapest blanks around. Of course, this means that they'll be gone in a couple of days, so this info is of little long term use. Previously, they were the same price as the Verbatim DL pastels (TY!!!) in slim packs (no longer available) and hence unattractive.

The other MBI's I've had (MMORE) are better- lower C1, less junk printed on the label side.

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Postby TheWizard on Tue Jun 17, 2003 1:13 am

Not bad for cheap media. :)

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Princo: The Best 12x CD-RW Disc

Postby Burn2death on Thu Jun 19, 2003 5:39 am

I just got four 5/packs of the Princo 12x/700MB CD-RW disc at Compusmart, These are the best Cds I have ever use here are my results:

LG 8481B OC to 8520B

"1st Run" KProbe result. burn @ 12x/700MB Music
C1: Max 2, Total 7. C2: 0
"2nd Run" KProbe result. burn @ 12x/700MB VCD
C1: Max 2, Total 8. C2: 0

Nero CD Speed, ScanDisk 100% Green, no errors.

I thought maybe it was a fluke that results were so good so I tried another disc, the result was exactly the same, so I thought may something might be wrong with KProbe so I test out with some 4x CMC (Officedepot), 10x Sony, and a few other CD-RW/CDR disc, they all average around 300-500+ C1 errors, Max was around 20-30 C1.
I have to conclude that these Princo 12x/700MB CD_RW are by far the best CD-RW or CD-R I have ever used.
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Thu Jun 19, 2003 6:31 am

Those Princo's don't happen to have a Ricoh ATIP do they??
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Postby Bhairav on Thu Jun 19, 2003 9:34 am

Weird Princo results. Here in India, we only get 10X max Princo RWs and they are pretty crappy, to say the least.

Anyhoo... some more media!

Disc Type = CDR (B-)
Manufacturer = Moser Baer India Limited

Rated at 52X. Burned 678 Mb on it using my LTR52246S, at 52X.
Weird KProbe result - when read back at 52X, the disc slowed waaaay down at around the 64% mark, (said something about slipping??), and I had to stop it. Showed a HUGE C2 error spike there

I panicked. Retested it using 32X read speed, and voila! 0.5 C1 average! No slipping!

I thought that C1 errors were a function of the readback speed and the drive itself, and C2 errors were on the disc :-? ? How did I results I got??
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Postby TheWizard on Thu Jun 19, 2003 9:54 am

Thanks guys. :)

Burn2death: Is Princo the manufacturer of those CD-RW's or is simply the name slapped on the top of the disc? I only ask because tests were done with Princo CD-RW's manufactured by DST on the LTR-52246S, and those results were less than perfect.
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Postby rodheb on Thu Jun 19, 2003 10:20 am

I didn't know whether to even post this, or if so, as a new topic. I just thought there's enough folks here who swear by Fuji/TY. This week at Best Buy in the states, a 100 spindle is 29.99 (no mail-in rebate to monkey with), apparently 5 bucks less than normal price. I would assume this is a good price. Hope this helps someone.
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Postby TheWizard on Thu Jun 19, 2003 10:27 am

Hi rodheb,

Personally, I don't care where you post the deal, but others may prefer if you post it in the Hot Deals forum. :wink:
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Postby Burn2death on Thu Jun 19, 2003 3:41 pm

About my Princo 12x CD-RW, cdrid163 show as unknown, Nero CD Speed also unknown, Nero InfoTool show as Ricoh
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Thu Jun 19, 2003 9:48 pm

Burn2death: Can you post the ATIP info please? they sound like some Princo 12x that I havem only mine are almost the crappiest CD-RWs I've run into. The part I love most about them is that they are branded 12x but only burn at 10x max! and then if you look at the serial number, it says 10XRW in it LOL! They have a Ricoh ATIP, but they were made by Princo.

Note to others: Princo does NOT brand other people's media, they DO however steal other people's ATIP info, (remember the Princo/TDK DVD scandle?)
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Postby Burn2death on Fri Jun 20, 2003 12:20 am

Nero InfoTool :
Medium Info: Ricoh, 10x CD-RW, 79.59.74

cdrid163:
ATIP: 97m 27s 00f
Disc Manufacturer: Disc ID Not Allowed

sorry I don't know how to save the screen shot or know how to post the image on here so this is the best I can do
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Postby David on Fri Jun 20, 2003 12:28 am

Burn2death

Heres info oh how to post a picture http://www.cdrlabs.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=8826.
To capture a screen shot press the print screen key, then open MS paint, past the inage in to paint then select the section you want to post.
If you need a site to host your image try the one recomended in this post http://www.cdrlabs.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=11328.
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Fri Jun 20, 2003 12:56 am

Yup, that's the same ATIP, does the serial number in the outer (holographic) hub look something like this: "R10X80-NV26" ???
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Postby dodecahedron on Fri Jun 20, 2003 1:44 am

David wrote:To capture a screen shot press the print screen key, then open MS paint, past the inage in to paint then select the section you want to post.

or use the Alt-PrintScreen to capture only the active window.
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Postby MediumRare on Sat Jun 21, 2003 9:03 am

Burn2death wrote:sorry I don't know how to save the screen shot or know how to post the image on here so this is the best I can do

If you use CDRID, just click on the printer button- this actually copies the information to the clipboard and you can paste the text directly in your post (no need to mess with screen shots). Alternatively, you could use MInfo or SmartBurn (the program) and mark the info in the results box and cut and paste.
I know there are other ATIP readers- these are the ones I use(d) on a regular basis.

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Postby Burn2death on Tue Jun 24, 2003 1:49 am

dolphinius_rex Wrote:
Yup, that's the same ATIP, does the serial number in the outer (holographic) hub look something like this: "R10X80-NV26" ???


Yes it's got the "R10X80-NV26".

BTW I just got a 50/spindle of Generic 48x (Postech), but Nero, CCD, Roxio, and Nero CD Speed only show it as 32x max, what crap! :cry:
so far I did one burn with my LG 8481B O/C to LG 8520B FW 1.04 and it was only able to burn @ 16x even though CloneCD show the Max @ 32x.
I will do some more burns when I got some results I will posted here.
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Tue Jun 24, 2003 5:09 am

Burn2death wrote:dolphinius_rex Wrote:
Yup, that's the same ATIP, does the serial number in the outer (holographic) hub look something like this: "R10X80-NV26" ???


Yes it's got the "R10X80-NV26".
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Hrm, THAT'S VERY interesting! My LiteON 48125W won't burn them at 12x, only 10x.... and when I burn them at 10x (or ANY speed) they have hundreds sometimes THOUSANDS of errors on them!

Actually, I suspect the discs ARE 10x (as you may have guessed from the serial number). R10X80 = Rewritable 10x 80min media.
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Postby David on Tue Jun 24, 2003 11:53 pm

Results for Benq 4824P Firmware D.UC

Branded E3 works 24x Vinyl
Manufacturer : Lead Data
Code : 97m26s53f
Disc Type : CD-R
Recording Layer : Dye Type 3: Long Strategy (Cyanine, AZO)
Capacity : 79:59.74 703 MB

Burned with no errors at 24x.
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Postby TheWizard on Thu Jun 26, 2003 8:22 pm

Hit me again, David! Ooo! It hurts, but I like it!

... Thanks for the E3 Works Vinyl results. :)
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Postby aviationwiz on Sat Jun 28, 2003 8:15 pm

Plextor Premium
Firmware: 1.0

Verbatim/MC 52x PoweRec Speed: 52x

Forgot to add that a while ago.
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Postby jedimc on Sun Jun 29, 2003 1:48 am

this is what my LG 8520B Firmware 1.04, detected as optimal speeds

Imation 48x = 40x
manufactured by CMC Magnetics
Verbatim 48x = 52x
manufactured by Mitsubishi
TDK 48x = 52x
manufactured by Ritek
DataStream 48x = 48x
manufactured by Prodisk
Imation CD-RW 10x = 10x
manufactured by CMC Magnetics

GAT 40x = 40x
manufactured by unkown

Verbatim CD-RW 24x = 24x
manufactured by Mitsubishi
Princo 48x = 48x
manufactured by Princo
LG 24x = 40x
manufactured by Prodisc
TDK ?x = 52x (I burned at 40x,could not be burned at 48x)
manufactured by CMC Magnetics



I will have to test some more cds soon, the ones in green have just been tested.
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Postby TheWizard on Mon Jun 30, 2003 1:07 am

aviationwiz, jedimc...you guys rock. Thanks. :)
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Postby MediumRare on Mon Jun 30, 2003 1:16 pm

TheWizard,
if you look at Ian's review of the CIS Arrgo 52/24/52 CD-RW, you can add the following info to your list (prune to suit):

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CIS Arrgo 52/24/52
Firmware V13SM..........Fuji/TY 80min 48x.......................40X
........................Imation/CMC 80min 48x...................52X
........................Memorex/PD 80min 52x....................??
........................Philips/CMC 80min 48x...................Q??
........................Plasmon (Ciba Dye) 80min 52x............Q??
........................Sony/TEAC 80min 48x.....................Q??
........................Taiyo Yuden/TY 80min 48x................40X
........................TDK/CMC 80min 48x.......................52X
........................TDK/Ritek 80min 52x.....................52X
........................Verbatim DataLifePlus/MC 80min 52x......52X

I'm assuming the media is 80 min. I haven't seen any 74 min media for >16x. The media marked Q?? had errors in the CD quality test.

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Postby TheWizard on Mon Jun 30, 2003 10:12 pm

Thanks, MediumRare. I see we are getting away from ScanDisc results, eh? :)
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Postby MediumRare on Tue Jul 01, 2003 8:16 am

TheWizard wrote:Thanks, MediumRare. I see we are getting away from ScanDisc results, eh? :)

Sorry- I thought CD-Speed quality scan was OK too. :-? It shows essentially the same info as the surface scan and (like surface scan) runs reliabily on all drives that can flag C2's. I explicitly avoided mentioning KProbe results (they were run on a different drive, too).

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