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New Firmware For Samsung BD-1000P and BD-1200P - Fixes BD+

Postby Ian on Fri Oct 12, 2007 12:05 pm

The update for the BD-1200P was available via its ethernet connection earlier this week, but firmware updates weren't on Samsung's website until this morning.

Samsung BD-1200P v1.0 - download

Samsung BD-1000P v1.2 - download
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Postby CowboySlim on Fri Oct 12, 2007 1:10 pm

This is DRM at its absolute nuttiest.
Do they expect the overwhelming majority of their customers to be geeks that can D/L the F/W via internet, burn out a CD and stick it in the machine?

What they should do is have USB slots on the front of those players (my Philips DVD player has a slot) and then send the F/W updates on key/flash drives by overnight, 1 Day FedEx.
Or, they could put the firmware on the front of the DVDs.

Imagine that you have a Blu-Ray player and come back from Nieman Marcus with a new $30 Paris Hilton movie on Blu-Ray DVD and it won't play.
Would you be pissed? :evil:
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Fri Oct 12, 2007 2:23 pm

You can't expect Blu-Ray movies to carry all the latest firmwares for all the existing models. For HD DVD this might still be possible because of the non-existing CE support from multiple brands... but even then it'd be hard since Toshiba has released several slightly different models and now 3 generations.

It all adds up!
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Postby RJW on Sun Oct 14, 2007 7:11 am

dolphinius_rex wrote:You can't expect Blu-Ray movies to carry all the latest firmwares for all the existing models. For HD DVD this might still be possible because of the non-existing CE support from multiple brands... but even then it'd be hard since Toshiba has released several slightly different models and now 3 generations.

It all adds up!


Bullshit a dual layer blu ray disc has space enough to fit any last firmware for a drive. Firmwares updates are quite small. With 50GB and the right codec (not that old MPEG2 codec !) there should be enough space left !
Single layer might be a different story but I think compannies should understand that in the long run a working sollution means more profit as a non working cheaper sollution !
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Postby vinnie97 on Sun Oct 14, 2007 8:31 am

RJW wrote:
dolphinius_rex wrote:You can't expect Blu-Ray movies to carry all the latest firmwares for all the existing models. For HD DVD this might still be possible because of the non-existing CE support from multiple brands... but even then it'd be hard since Toshiba has released several slightly different models and now 3 generations.

It all adds up!


Bullshit a dual layer blu ray disc has space enough to fit any last firmware for a drive. Firmwares updates are quite small. With 50GB and the right codec (not that old MPEG2 codec !) there should be enough space left !
Single layer might be a different story but I think compannies should understand that in the long run a working sollution means more profit as a non working cheaper sollution !

Amen! You can probably count the # of Blu-Ray standalones on your hand.
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Postby Ian on Sun Oct 14, 2007 9:08 am

The big problem here is that manufacturers are all over the place in regards to the version of BD-J they're using. With the 1.1 spec and eventually the 2.0 spec in place, the need for these firmwar updates will (hopefully) be a thing of the past.
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Postby CowboySlim on Mon Oct 15, 2007 12:18 pm

vinnie97 wrote:
RJW wrote:
dolphinius_rex wrote:You can't expect Blu-Ray movies to carry all the latest firmwares for all the existing models. For HD DVD this might still be possible because of the non-existing CE support from multiple brands... but even then it'd be hard since Toshiba has released several slightly different models and now 3 generations.

It all adds up!


Bullshit a dual layer blu ray disc has space enough to fit any last firmware for a drive. Firmwares updates are quite small. With 50GB and the right codec (not that old MPEG2 codec !) there should be enough space left !
Single layer might be a different story but I think compannies should understand that in the long run a working sollution means more profit as a non working cheaper sollution !

Amen! You can probably count the # of Blu-Ray standalones on your hand.


The real issue, as I see it, is not space on any disc.
That is, what about my Aunt Minnie?
She has a standalone Blu-Ray player connected to her HDTV and now she brings home, in time for Halloween, a Blu-Ray movie of Friday the 13th, Part 34 and it won't play.
She has no PC, what does she do, call Cousin Beatrice who does have a PC?
But all Cousin Beatrice does is the threee E's: E-mail, EBay and Eat S.....

So, it seems to me that Aunt Minnie is SOL until sheee calls Hox and the Geeek Squad. :P

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Who just bought this at Best Buy but it has Vista preloaded and his ice cream is melting so he called the Geeek Squad to come out and give him a firmware upgrade. :P
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Mon Oct 15, 2007 2:14 pm

RJW wrote:
dolphinius_rex wrote:You can't expect Blu-Ray movies to carry all the latest firmwares for all the existing models. For HD DVD this might still be possible because of the non-existing CE support from multiple brands... but even then it'd be hard since Toshiba has released several slightly different models and now 3 generations.

It all adds up!


Bullshit a dual layer blu ray disc has space enough to fit any last firmware for a drive. Firmwares updates are quite small. With 50GB and the right codec (not that old MPEG2 codec !) there should be enough space left !
Single layer might be a different story but I think compannies should understand that in the long run a working sollution means more profit as a non working cheaper sollution !


It's not even the space requirement, it's also the logistics of keeping everyone up to date and checking with each hardware manufacturer about each of their models constantly. If all the hardware manufacturers would organize and make a joint effort to make it happen, then it could be possible. But speaking realistically, it's too much work, it's wasted space, and I doubt the studios really care about it either, since it's not their responsability to make sure CE manufacturers follow spec (although it certainly affects them).

Did Universal or Warner Brothers offer firmware upgrades to solve their crappy combo disc issues? No, Toshiba did AFTER the fact.
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