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Postby iowa jazz on Wed Dec 17, 2003 2:08 pm


I've encountered a problem that sounds to me very similar to what was described in the CD Freaks Audio Forum back in August — http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?threadid=73876. In his follow-up message, leatherwood wrote "the first few tracks are near perfect. Then the scratchy sound creeps in and becomes intolerable towards the end of the cdr."

This is exactly what I've encountered on a couple audio CD-Rs I received from a friend. They were burned at 16X on Phillips and AT&T branded (both CMC) media, and made on a BTC 2410M burner using NTI CD Maker. The noise occurs at regular intervals, and sounds very much like a scratched LP that 'clicks' with every revolution. The first tracks are clean—the noise begins to become discernable and becomes progressively more prominent toward the end of the disc—the last track or two is completely unlistenable.

Now ... here is the detective work I've done ... (and this is where it begins to get weird!)
Here are the results when these discs are played on various systems.

Played on computer drives:
Lite-On LTR-52327S on my digital audio workstation (Celeron 1.7 ghz, i845E chipset) — Noise is very bad

Lite-On LTC-48161H on my office workstation (Athlon XP 2300+, VIA KT400 chipset) — Noise is very bad
Plextor PX-W1210A on same office workstation — Fairly good - noise is discernable, but subtle

Played on audio components:
Samsung DVD C621 (less than 1 yr old) DVD-CD-mp3 deck on my living room audio system — Noise is not quite as bad as with the Lite-On drives

Kenwood CD-203 (several yrs old) CD deck on my office audio system — Flawless. No discernable noise.

Hold on ... we're not yet done with the weirdness:

Thinking I might be onto something—that perhaps these discs just didn't like being read at high speeds—I ripped one of them to WAV at 4x using dBpowerAMP's 'slow accurate ripping' setting. Voila! The result was a set of nice clean WAV files—no noise. I then burned these clean WAV files to CD using my Lite-On LTR-52327S drive and Nero 6. The result was a noiseless CD that plays perfectly in ALL my drives and decks.
Here, then, are the questions:

1) WHERE did this noise come from in the first place?
2) WHY is it much more evident on my fast drives and DVD deck than on my slower drive and CD deck?

Is this phenomenon somehow related to drive speed and/or sampling rate? Do faster drives and DVD decks sample at a higher rate, picking up flaws that are overlooked by slower drives and CD decks? Or is there some altogether different explanation?

Any and all comments/ideas will be most welcome. THANKS in advance
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System Specs:
ASUS A7V8X-X / KT400
Athlon XP Thoroughbred 2600+ / 512MB PC3200 DDR
Maya 44 audio
Radeon 9200 128MB
Lite-On LTR-52327S
Lite-On LTC-48161H
LG GCC-4480B
Plextor PX-Premium (52/32/52)
Plextor PX-W1210A
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Postby CameraMan on Wed Dec 17, 2003 10:54 pm

Don't know if this might help.

My DVD player (Malata , cheapo from Future Shop) doesn't like my Memorex DVD+R discs too much. The problem (that I've been able to track down) is that the hole on the disc is maybe a fraction smaller than it's supposed to be. On the top of the drive is a spring loaded 'clamp' that comes down in through that hole. It's meant to keep the disc centered in the drive when playing.

With my Memorex discs, the 'clamp' doesn't sit in there very well, sits in there funny, and the disc warbles. When playing, the laser is always scanning to & fro , trying to keep track of the data. I see break up in the image as a result, and the drive makes more noise.

I had to crack the case open and I now & then I have to fiddle with this clamp to seat it right.

So.. could be the actual disc that is the problem.

My two cents.

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Postby CDRecorder on Wed Dec 17, 2003 11:04 pm

It's also possible that the writing quality was very poor, causing the discs to be readable only at low speeds.
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