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Pioneer DVR-216D versus BenQ DW1655

Postby SkaarjMaster on Tue Oct 19, 2010 11:40 pm

I'm using Verbatim up to 8X speed DVD-R media (4.20GB) (1792 at Rima) for these tests with a movie burned on each. Before I finish the results, should I be running Disc Quality tests at 4X as well as 8X?
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Re: Pioneer DVR-216D versus BenQ DW1655

Postby Dartman on Tue Oct 19, 2010 11:56 pm

If you use the 1655 to test with the accepted speed for it is 8x for the quality test. LiteOn drives, at least the older ones I had need to test at 4x.
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Re: Pioneer DVR-216D versus BenQ DW1655

Postby Ian on Wed Oct 20, 2010 12:24 am

Dartman wrote:If you use the 1655 to test with the accepted speed for it is 8x for the quality test. LiteOn drives, at least the older ones I had need to test at 4x.


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Re: Pioneer DVR-216D versus BenQ DW1655

Postby SkaarjMaster on Wed Oct 20, 2010 8:59 am

The only reason I was wondering is the Pioneer burn DVD got a quality score of only 91 for disc quality and the results seemed about the same as or better than the 95 quality score in the recent Pioneer write quality thread.

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It had less jitter, less PI errors, 15 max PI failures and no PO failures.
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Re: Pioneer DVR-216D versus BenQ DW1655

Postby Ian on Wed Oct 20, 2010 9:23 am

The quality score is determined entirely by the maximum PIF. You could have some very good results and then one spike that lowers the quality score.
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Re: Pioneer DVR-216D versus BenQ DW1655

Postby DrageMester on Wed Oct 20, 2010 1:13 pm

Ian wrote:The quality score is determined entirely by the maximum PIF.
Unless there are any reported POF, in which case the quality score will always be zero. This only applies to drives that can actually report POF like the BenQ.
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Re: Pioneer DVR-216D versus BenQ DW1655

Postby SkaarjMaster on Wed Oct 20, 2010 1:20 pm

Thanks for confirming my suspicions.:) Also, is it fair to say (once I complete the analysis and post the results here) that results with single-layer DVD-R discs would be similar to dual-layer DVD+R discs or will I need to waste two dual-layer DVD+Rs to find out? I was hoping to just run the DVD-R tests and give myself a good idea on whether or not to move the BenQ to my newer computer or not.
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Re: Pioneer DVR-216D versus BenQ DW1655

Postby Dartman on Wed Oct 20, 2010 8:31 pm

I can pretty much guarantee you that as long as that Pioneer has a NEC chipset it will burn any DL media better then your 1655. The BenQ burners just never were that great at DL burning, their one flaw, where my NEC based drives always made playable disks to just about any crap DL media I happened to find on sale.
My LG H22n also does a great job with DL disks and is currently my favorite for them, though I've also had OK results with the latest 7240 and 7260 drives that use a new NEC chipset.
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Re: Pioneer DVR-216D versus BenQ DW1655

Postby SkaarjMaster on Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:41 pm

OK, then I'll make sure to burn DL discs on the Pioneer. Right now the benchmark for the BenQ (all smooth) looks a helluva lot better than the jaggy one from the Pioneer (3 dips to 2X and one to 6X in the first half of the movie). Any ideas why this is so for the single-layer DVD-R media? Could it be the computer itself and maybe I should run the Pioneer benchmark again? Nope, ran the Pioneer benchmark again tonight and the same thing. Also, the BenQ beats the Pioneer in everything in the Disc Quality and Advanced Disc Quality tests. I still need to run the ScanDisc though, but it's looking like the BenQ will be moved to the SkaarjMasterDuo and I'll be moving the Lite-On CD burner from my Mom's house to the Dragonslayer computer and getting her a DVD burner. I'll use the BenQ for CD-R and single-layer DVD burning and the Pioneer for dual-layer DVD burning.:)
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