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Samsung 48x media and CDR-F1 compatability issue

PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2003 6:56 am
by --oZ--
I have been a long time visitor to the site but I hadn't looked into the forums until recently...... about 5 mins ago ;-)

Anyway onto my problem/queries .... I purchased the CDR-F1B dec 2002 after reading the review on the site and previous experience with yamaha drives, it was all looking good at this point. ho ho ho ho....

Currently my drive works perfectly well burning images onto my philips cd-rw80 (cdrw80d 12/100) disks as well as my philips cd-r80 silverspeed 32x media.

Then a friend of mine suggested I get some bulk media from a local computer shop. So I got 100 pieces 48x samsung cd-r media. I hadn't had to use them until yesterday, but when I did they failed. At first I thought I had a problem with the drive, but a quick check I could still burn the same image onto cd-rw disks and an email to yamaha support later confimed the media compatability issue. These media DO NOT burn at 1x or 44x using nero, log extract:

02:32:15 #12 Phase 36 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1649
Burn process started at 44x (6,600 KB/s)

02:32:15 #13 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 1952
Verifying CD position of item 0 (relocatable, no CD pos, patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0

02:32:15 #14 Text 0 File Mmc.cpp, Line 17129
Set BUFE: supported -> ON , Optimum Writespeed Control : ON

02:32:47 #15 SCSI -1106 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1393
SCSI Exec, HA 1, TA 0, LUN 0, buffer 0x02550000
Status: 0x04 (0x01, SCSI_ERR)
HA-Status 0x00 (0x00, OK)
TA-Status 0x02 (0x01, SCSI_TASTATUS_CHKCOND)
Sense Key: 0x03 (KEY_MEDIUM_ERROR)
Sense Code: 0x73
Sense Qual: 0x03
CDB Data: 0x2A 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x1F 0x00 0x00 0x00
Sense Data: 0x70 0x00 0x03 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x0A
0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x73 0x03

02:32:47 #16 MMC -1106 File Writer.cpp, Line 331
Power calibration error

02:32:47 #17 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 219
all writers idle, stopping conversion

02:32:47 #18 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 213
conversion idle, stopping reader

02:32:47 #19 CDR -201 File WriterStatus.cpp, Line 194
Invalid write state

02:32:47 #20 TRANSFER -18 File WriterStatus.cpp, Line 194
Could not perform EndTrack

02:32:47 #21 Text 0 File Mmc.cpp, Line 12011
<YAMAHA CRW-F1E > start Close Session



Now I thought even though yamaha had stopped making optical drives they were still going to support existing drives. Now it seems crazy to me that the drive won't work with Samsung media, they seem to be a huge brand in the UK. So what do they mean by support? No fimware updates for new media and only bug fixes/ no bug fixes at all?

As for my query about a firmware update (a reasonable request for a drive that is still supported) I was told:

Hello Sir,

As you stated in your mail, it is a media compatibility problem.
As an international company we can't support every brand of CDR(W).
Thanks for unterstanding.

Best regards,
Diederik Van der Veken,
Yamaha Program Supervisor


I emailed back asking them to reconsider this position, or at the very least publish a full list of supported media types on the website so other people didn't fall foul of this issue and got this response:

Hello Sir,

Unfortunately such list of supported media is not available for each country
Thanks for unterstanding.

Best regards,
Diederik van der Veken,
Yamaha Program Supervisor


Is this correct? Certain media types are documented in the firmware release notes. Knowledge of these media types must have come from somewhere. I mean, they do make the drives to specification and as I understand it they have to program the firmware with data for each supported media type so it stands to reason that they can compile a list for yamaha customers.

Anyway.... so here I am lumbered with 100 pieces of 48x media that I can't use, so I think i'll just use them on my fiance's LG 8160B drive. Low and behold they don't work on this drive either. I have tried multiple disks btw.

So I guess I need to know if the samsung 48x cd-r media works on any drive at all? I really like my cdr-f1 but since media cost me £30 at the time I am in the realm of buying a new burner just to use the media. Does anyone know a burner which will use the samsung 48x media? Actual positive experience of the media would be good to hear.

Also which 44x cd-r media works on the cdr-f1 drive?


PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2003 11:42 am
by CDRecorder
As the discs don't work on either the LG or Yamaha drive, I think you may have a spindle of defective discs (assuming you've tried several with the same result). If you can, I would recommend that you try to return the discs.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2003 5:40 pm
by --oZ--
Yeah I have tried several disks with the same result. The disks are not from a spindle but are retail boxed packs of 10, all disks from a single box have showed the same issue. It's possible it's a manufacturing fault, but why would Yamaha tech support tell me it is a compatability issue?

To be fair I was more concerned that yamaha seem to have washed their hands of the cdr-f1 despite saying they'll still support the drive.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2003 6:02 pm
by CDRecorder
Yamaha may have told you it's a compatability issue because they didn't thing of bad media being a possibility. It's possibly a compatibility problem, but I doubt it due to the fact that both the Yamaha and the LG drives wouldn't work with these discs.