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This looks and sounds like an advertisement to me.

WTF, is this an advertisment?

Ian wrote:This looks and sounds like an advertisement to me.

I agree...zap it!

oh goody! troll fodder. Ian, please don't zap this, it's too funny!

Let's talk about Mitsui / MAM-A media shall we?

For starters, I work for *the* Western Canada distributor of Mitsui / MAM-A media, so I know the propaganda crap like the back of my hand.

Yes, most of the professional industry in Western Canada *does* use Mitsui.... and you know what, ever since Mitsui was all but bought out by C.S.I., we've had about 10x as many returns, probably more. Why? because Mitsui discs are now failing to burn on a regular basis. Because of this, people are now switching over to Taiyo Yuden CD-Rs since they are now MUCH more reliable then Mitsui, and much MUCH cheaper! For those who are unable to handle the concept that a CD-R with a blue bottom can be equal or greater quality to a CD-R with a silver bottom, they are switching over to Ritek. True, there are some customers that refuse to change, despite the growing problems, but they are few and far between.

Also, that "wonderful" diamond coating of Mitsui that was mentioned... it makes them the WORST CD-Rs available for silkscreening, hence Mitsui losing a lot of the OEM business. Only HHB and Quantegy are known for continuing to support Mitsui's OEM jobs, but even they have been slowly switching over to Taiyo Yuden and Ritek, for all by their Golden line of CD-Rs. (Did I mention that the place I work for is also a distributor for HHB and Quantegy....).

So before you go spouting loads of crap like that, take a look at who you are spouting it to! We are not common sheep here on this forum, and many of us have direct ties to the CD industry, and are not so easily lead on.

haha, wow it costs twice as much, so it has to be better, yeah right, in the words of ludacris: Blow it out your ass

Oh, this is a hoot!

cold_fusion wrote:Mitsui/MAM-A customers are a different breed.

Indeed they are, although not for the reasons you specify. They are a different breed because of their unquestioning acceptance of fairy tales like the one you just told, and because they rather uncritically assume that a disc that cost six to ten times as much as the competition must be better.

Let's get it straight: high price does not guarantee high quality. In my personal experience, Mitsui (as it stands today) is over-rated, over-priced media that always burns with C2 errors at the outer edge of the disc, whether it is burned with the most inexpensive Lite-On drive or the most expensive Yamaha drive.

By the way, we all know what a scam cold fusion turned out to be. It would seem that cold_fusion has chosen his moniker well...

cfitz

P.S. Ian, I agree with dolphinius_rex that this is good for a laugh, and on that basis deserves to stay here. But you might want to remove the link cold_fusion included for where to find it, since it sure smells like he is a shill advertising for that site.

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Whew!

I'm glad you guys stepped in. I was about to order a couple of spindles!

Well I've been a big Mitsui user in the past.
It is true that Mitsui has a higher playback rate as a average cd-r.
But so does Verbatim's AZO. The funy thing is drives that fail with Mitsui seem to like AZO quite some times and drives that fail with AZO sometimes work excellent with Mitsui. It depends on the question why is it failing. (overreflectivity, to low reflectivity)
Now these days MAM-E/A whatever you call them makes crap specially when it comes to dvd recordables.

Now about cd-r's. Here In europe MAM-E has dropped the quality big times still they make some good disc's. Which are the Mitsui Medical and Mitsui Pro Studio stuff. These disc's can compare in quality with old normal Mitsui consumer media. Now the point is that these disc's are costing as twice as much as Verbatim Metal AZO disc's(which can also last longer as 100th years according to there manufacturer) , three to four times as much TY media. And 5 times as much as FUJI media. And the point is all these media seem to perform just as good or better.

Mitsui has a great PR machine. I can remember the graphs ot HongKong AZO media, and Cyanine (not the metalized stabled version TDK and TY use these days) (Probally Princo cyanine !)on the mitsui site to show the superiority of there disc's.
Also Accelerated Ageing tests and UV exposure tests are quite questionable themselves.

Still there is one good side of Mitsui they do have a lifetime waranty.
Which means the time they should work according to Mitsui.
Now they don't make any trouble for replacing the media. Still replacing the media is to much fuzz for me.

Why isn't it better ?
1 pthalocyanine the best dye available ? Well why is MAM the only companny which uses it for DVD recordables. It is cheaper as AZO so why use AZO or a cyanine azo hybride !
2 Ehh don't we forget that good old basf/emtec(YEP the crap) companny and TY have something called Ceramic coating. Remove the upperlayer of your disc and you can still read it ! If I remove a Mitsui's Diamond coat toplayer the disc is ruined.
3 Don't make me laugh but Mitsui isn't consistant these days when it comes to quality. Infact it is as bad as Ritek or as MCC media on a Lite On 48125W. ( )

hey, Ritek is very consistant in North America....

well, actually, I should hold my tongue until AFTER I test some new Ritek 48x CD-Rs I bought... they're BLACK and Ritek swore off black CD-Rs a year ago because they couldn't get them right.

Maybe I should order a spindle of Arrita media from Opus just to prove how bad Ritek can be. (The test disc's couldn't be read back after burning on any drive !. The CDA-3000 score was 0 on (8 speed. Sorry but I can say this is good specially if CMC can get away with a score of 92(on 40x) after one 1 year dark storage ! ) E32 errors were all over the disc's !)
And since Arrita is also so sold in the US I still have a hard head when it comes to there quality.
70% of Ritek media is excellent. 20% is quite okay but there is also 10% which is of really poor quality. I haven't made a final conclusion on the 90 minutes philips disc's because of the problems with my Lite On but as soon as I got that drive back I will do !

Used Arita's as well in the past. Back when my 8x was cutting edge (not to mention way too expensive).
Luckily I can still read all those disks. But they are no competition for TY's which are only a little more expensive (haven't tried Verbatims). Too bad TY's are getting more difficult to get a hold of (BTW, where do you get yours RJW?).

Last batch of TY was plextor branded slimcased media for less 4.50 a 10 pack(that was including shipping costs) . However Central point has increased there prices.

Now the next deal will probally be made with Brennershop which is a German online store.
(If you got the right connections and you order enough then the extra rebate will easilly fix the high shipping costs. 10% when you buy for 250 euro's except for homebranded stuff (Ritek g04 dvd-r's/ricoh dvd+R's )The good point you get the rebate on the cheap plextor(TY) spindles.(19 euro's for 1 cakebox and even lower if you buy 3 or 6 (!) and on MCC dvd-r media. )
The trick we do here is that I place one order for a lot of people. Then we mostly order spindled media (Much less weight so we can order more)
Since our order is big and I got the right connections we get the rebate.
Now we use the rebate to pay for the shipping costs and other involved costs so everyone gets there media just for the price on the site !

I noticed CP getting more expensive. No fun anymore.
Never tried to order from Germany because of shipping costs. Prices are quite good though. And getting a rebate to cover the shipping costs does make it worthwile. You don't happen to have a opening on your orderlist do you?

MikeTR wrote:I noticed CP getting more expensive. No fun anymore.
Never tried to order from Germany because of shipping costs. Prices are quite good though. And getting a rebate to cover the shipping costs does make it worthwile. You don't happen to have a opening on your orderlist do you?

If I know more then I will P.M you.

Thanks .

1 pthalocyanine the best dye available ? Well why is MAM the only companny which uses it for DVD recordables. It is cheaper as AZO so why use AZO or a cyanine azo hybride !

Well, you could say the same of the early CD writers -- but look at the situation now. It is a lot easier to make a good high-speed phthalocyanine than a good high-speed cyanine (or AZO for that matter), but it's harder to make phthalocyanine work at lower speeds. That is not to make any judgement on which dye is better, they're just different.

I am not saying this will happen with DVDR as well, just pointing it out as a maybe. It's entirely possible that at higher (8x, 12x, 16x) DVDR speeds that phthalocyanine becomes easier to work with than cyanine/AZO/hybrid dyes, and it may well start to take over. Who knows.

You've also got to bear in mind that a lot of burner designs optimised for one dye type will not work so well with the other. For example, the old Philips 2600 and Yamaha 201/401 worked great with cyanine, and wouldn't entertain phthalocyanine. Whereas drives like the Artec 52x and many of the Acer drives work well with phthalocyanine but make coasters out of any cyanine disc.