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Postby [buck] on Mon Nov 28, 2005 6:48 pm

dolphinius_rex wrote:
Rencor wrote:I have some absolutely fabulous Luxembourg TTH02 from Costco, for under $0.24 CDN/disc. CMC also makes TTH02 for TDK...


Yup.... you're lucky! Some others got some much less then "absolutely favulous" TDK media in the same sale. The quality seems to vary worse then B Grade Optodisc (as in, it could be great or a coaster or anything in between).


Even the made in Luxembourg ones? I know the CMC stuff is HIGHLY variable, but I would have though TDKs own factory has good quality control.

I know you've mentioned before that these sales are one of TDKs ways of dumping their B grade stuff, but I suspect the 25packs made in Luxembourg weren't meant to be sold during this sale...
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Postby frank1 on Mon Nov 28, 2005 11:25 pm

Talking only about the ScratchProof labels ...


Do you think the TTH01 8x ScratchProof [Made in Luxemboug] is going to die sometimes ?
Let's say during next year ?



Should I believe that both of these new 16x ScratchProof TDK DVD Rs
(of media code TDK-003 and TTH02 I suppose )
are manufactured in Luxembourg ??
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Postby RJW on Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:27 am

TDK luxembourg seems to make TDK003 and TTH02 scratchproof and earlier non scratchproof media.
Then there is CMC like I said earlier who makes only non scratchpoof so far.

:o And for TTH02 we also have infosmart who is abusseing this code !

TTH01 will probally discontinued next year if production hasn't allready.
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Postby frank1 on Tue Nov 29, 2005 4:35 am

Thanks RJW, this is clear !
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Postby frank1 on Wed Dec 07, 2005 11:29 am

Before this TTH01 disappears
could the experts remind us exactly
some of the "alchimic combinations": burner + firmware+ writing speed
where this TTH01 media code form TDK was written as it's best ?



For record I put here some links to reviews where the TTH01 was written:
Pioneer 109
Plextor PX-716A
NEC 3520
NEC 3500
Samsung TS-552U
These links point to pages showing tables of MID codes with TTH01.
The data tranfer rate graphs and the Plextools scans of the TTH1 code are in one of the pages following these ...
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Postby RJW on Tue Dec 20, 2005 6:09 am

OFFTOPIC about MAM's TTH01 disc's.

It seems that MAM does also produce TTH01 for TDK (correct stamper code.). However there are still some questions about some mam media.

I would like to thank MAM or TDK for being not cooperative so far on this issue.
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Tue Dec 20, 2005 10:07 am

RJW wrote:I would like to thank MAM or TDK for being not cooperative so far on this issue.
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Hey.... MAM *DID* cooperate with me on it.... it just didn't help much :roll:
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Postby frank1 on Tue Dec 20, 2005 1:13 pm

RJW wrote:Incase of cdfollie the disc's are genuine. (Stamper code matches TDK style).
[Page 1 of this thread]

RJW wrote:It seems that MAM does also produce TTH01 for TDK (correct stamper code.)


Should I believe that the TTH01 sold by CDdfolie are made
- by TDK in Luxembourg
- or by MAM-E in Ensisheim for TDK (only 200 km from Luxembourg ?)


There is a very good picture of these medias sold by cdfolie on page 1 of this thread.
They are sold in spindles and advertised by the vendor as made in Luxembourg by TDK.

Jubus posted some Plextools scans of 2 TDK labels showing a TTH01 code
in this thread here:
http://forum.gravure-news.com/2-vt18039 ... c&start=20


tth01 auchan is this label:
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Postby frank1 on Fri Dec 30, 2005 3:05 am

frank1 wrote:Before this TTH01 disappears
could the experts remind us exactly
some of the "alchimic combinations": burner + firmware+ writing speed
where this TTH01 media code form TDK was written as it's best ?
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Postby RJW on Fri Dec 30, 2005 4:12 pm

Well the problem is that TTH01 is for most people not as easy to get.
Then how many folks have a large ammount of drives to do some serious testing about it.
And then there is the question do the folks have time to do all extensive testing. While I can get a lot of drives if I would go the hard way and have access to TTH01 media I really don't have the time of doing all these tests.

And even then there is still a question how much TTH01 fluctuates in quality.
Were C't results comming from a extreme good batch.

Not to spoil the party but with the last box of TDK 90 minutes (luxembourg) I had quite some very problematic disc's. 6 out of 10 were really crap.
Which makes me have some doubts about TDK luxembourgs quality controle.
On The other hand all other 90 minutes tdk disc's I have used were very good and so far I've still seen only TDK manufactur good 90 minutes media.
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Postby Francksoy on Wed Jan 11, 2006 7:31 am

RJW wrote:Not to spoil the party but with the last box of TDK 90 minutes (luxembourg) I had quite some very problematic disc's. 6 out of 4 were really crap.
And then you have the nerve to tell me good things about these discs at CDFreaks? :^o

*LOL* just kidding, bad batches always happen.
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Postby frank1 on Wed Jan 11, 2006 8:08 am

RJW wrote: . . . but with the last box of TDK 90 minutes (luxembourg) I had quite some very problematic disc's. 6 out of 4 were really crap.
Which makes me have some doubts about TDK luxembourgs quality controle.
These TDK 90 minutes were CD-R's
Coud you publish the ATIP ?



I ask this because among the normal 80 minutes CD-R's from TDK
I found already 3 different ATIP's and manufacturers:
http://forum.gravure-news.com/les-atip- ... t19390.htm
and they all have this "blue-sky" label
and written Luxembourg at the back ot the package (only the address, not "Made in").
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Postby RJW on Thu Jan 12, 2006 5:44 am

Francksoy wrote:
RJW wrote:Not to spoil the party but with the last box of TDK 90 minutes (luxembourg) I had quite some very problematic disc's. 6 out of 10 were really crap.
And then you have the nerve to tell me good things about these discs at CDFreaks? :^o

*LOL* just kidding, bad batches always happen.


Yeah but on the number of used 90 minutes disc's from TDK compared to other 90 minutes disc's this is still ok.
All other disc's had C1 average arround 1 (mostly lower )
and no C2 with my Lite On 52327S. (Even on 52x !!)
Tested with K-probe and CD-speed.
No other 90 minutes media so far has been able to pull that one off specially if take into account the number of disc's.
Also most of the other stuff when it comes to 90 minutes media means 10 out of 10 bad disc's tested under normal testing conditions in my case
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Postby RJW on Thu Jan 12, 2006 5:56 am

frank1 wrote:These TDK 90 minutes were CD-R's
Coud you publish the ATIP ?

I ask this because among the normal 80 minutes CD-R's from TDK
I found already 3 different ATIP's and manufacturers:
http://forum.gravure-news.com/les-atip- ... t19390.htm

and they all have this "blue-sky" label
and written Luxembourg at the back ot the package (only the address, not "Made in").

Still this stuff is easy to spot that is if your store has them !! (Which is the main problem)

All jewelcassed packages I've seen so far look like this:
http://www.instantinfo.de/rohlinge/cover/1715.jpg.
THey come in 10 packs.

I've never seen spindled versions personally but I've seen some webstores advertise them.

Atip is probally 97m15s05f but I will check with my own disc's.
Notice that the info of Instantinfo is incorrect.
Unlike other 90 minutes media tdk's media can be burned on burners which normally doesn't support 90 minutes burning (some older burners (HP), some pioneer oem DVD burner models !)
This media is when put in correctly recognised as 90 minutes/800 mb media.

Any other way to get this ??
Well imation currently has 90 minutes media which clearly states made in luxembourg on the market. As only TDK has a site at luxembourg it's easy to know who made them.
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Postby RJW on Thu Jan 12, 2006 4:20 pm

Checked and the ATIP is correct which belongs to TDK.
(For completeness the rated speed is 40x)
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Postby frank1 on Mon Jan 23, 2006 7:19 am

Did you notice all these DVD-R's manufactured by TDK
which do not appear un their site: www.tdk-europe.com
but only on the site TDK Luxembourg
under "Industrial DVD":
http://www.tdk-lu.com/index.php?id=74&sa_from=73

The first on top at the left "DVD-R Scratchproof" are TTH01
despite their: « Rec Speed - 4x »

They are sold on line here
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Postby RJW on Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:41 am

Interresting.

One other point I like to make about MAM TTH01.
Some users (for instance on german board rohlingtest) report quite bad results with primeon (made by MAM-E) TTH01. Switching the code to MAM-E if the drive supports gives much better results.

Looks like MAM-E might be screwing arround with the dye's !
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Postby Francksoy on Mon Jan 23, 2006 12:15 pm

RJW wrote:Looks like MAM-E might be screwing arround with the dye's !

Which doesn't really come as a surprise, does it? :lol:

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Postby Scour on Mon Jan 23, 2006 1:39 pm

Boah, whe i start this thread on 27. June 2005 i did not suspected how complicated this is :o

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Postby frank1 on Mon Jan 23, 2006 2:19 pm

These "Industrial DVD" by TDK with TTH01 code

- sold on line cheaper than the normal "dark grey" ones by CD folie here

- have been tested by a member of Gravure News called Jubus
and there are also scans of "normal dark grey" ScratchProof TTH01 discs bought at Auchan.

Scans are published here:
http://forum.gravure-news.com/suivante- ... c&start=20
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Postby Grain on Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:59 pm

FYI, Costco has the buy 100 TDK's get 100 free sale coming up again. Comes from a fella who works there, he didn't have the exact date though.
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Mon Jan 23, 2006 7:01 pm

Grain wrote:FYI, Costco has the buy 100 TDK's get 100 free sale coming up again. Comes from a fella who works there, he didn't have the exact date though.


True... that sale will be happening near the end of this month, or the beginning of next month.... but I'm pretty sure that product is B grade. I've heard some complaints about it elsewhere. I'll be picking up my first spindles of it for testing soon though.
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Postby ClayBuster on Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:55 pm

Started today. Picking them up tomorrow
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Postby Gen-An on Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:25 pm

dolphinius_rex wrote:
Grain wrote:FYI, Costco has the buy 100 TDK's get 100 free sale coming up again. Comes from a fella who works there, he didn't have the exact date though.


True... that sale will be happening near the end of this month, or the beginning of next month.... but I'm pretty sure that product is B grade. I've heard some complaints about it elsewhere. I'll be picking up my first spindles of it for testing soon though.


Those are most likely TTG02 made in Taiwan by CMC Magnetics. I think these are the only TTH01 discs to show up stateside.
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Postby Grain on Wed Jan 25, 2006 1:17 pm

Apparently the Canadian Costco sale is starting Jan 30, at least at the local store (Alberta).
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