let's see, who are the big Blu-Ray companies? #1) Panasonic
Now granted, that's my own personal opinion, but it's based on how much influence and power they have over the Blu-Ray format, and not just which one of them happens to be the loudest with scandles and marketing.
But yeah, let's talk about Panasonic.... since it seems you have a wonderful habit of posting stuff right before news comes out that I can easily grab to smack down your inaccuracies with. Panasonic does not have a dual format player coming out. They NEVER have had anything like that planned, and in fact, a high level exec a Panasonic (well, Matsushita Japan) went on record saying such ideas were "stupid stupid". There's reference to it here, in this nice little article where Panasonic claims the war will be decided by new years or at least the end of January, before lingering on for one final year:http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-978939 ... 47-1_3-0-5
But back on topic... you want to talk a monopoly? Look at HD DVD and Toshiba
Who holds power in HD DVD? Toshiba.... and?? And then look at Blu-Ray... who holds power? Panasonic, Sony, Pioneer and Philips.
vinnie97 wrote:This current media sales ratio is not THAT significant when you compare the number of Blu-Ray units to HD DVD units in consumers' homes today and, in fact, doesn't paint a favorable picture for Blu-Ray and is the exact reason HD DVD has a fighting chance to win this war (it's not going anywhere as much as that would make your day). Paramount's decision was based upon more than just the end-result sales figures but also on the cost involved (and yes, the incentives also had a role) but for you to call Paramount out-and-out liars reveals your bias clearly.
So now you're falling back to the old 'attach rate' argument? Is that where every PS3 is considered a Blu-Ray player so that it looks like people who buy into Blu-Ray only buy like 0.5 movies each... but 5min later the PS3 doesn't count as a Blu-Ray player when player sales are going head to head? Please tell me you're above that....
Still, argueing with you is becoming tiresome. It seems you look at only one side of this format war, and don't bother yourself with facts from both sides. The fact that you don't even know the significant parties in the BDA alone shows this
I'd also be interested in seeing exactly where I called Paramount a liar.
vinnie97 wrote:ACTIONS speak louder than words and Warner has shown favor to HD DVD (after all, they were once exclusive before being "bought") by merely releasing many catalog films on HD DVD that have yet to make appearances on Blu-Ray and this is most likely due to the fact that Blu-Ray is in a state of flux at the moment.
Oh I couldn't agree more... actions speak louder then words
So I hate to break it to you, but the whole reason that Blu-Ray didn't utterly fail in terms of movie and studio support is because of Warner Brothers. It is their influence over Cinram that forced Cinram to offer Blu-Ray replication. Without Warner's CONSISTANT efforts and demands on the part of Blu-Ray, Cinram would be HD DVD exclusive... and Cinram is the largest replication company in the world, and feeds most of the major and minor movie studios. Really, you have no idea how much Warner saved Blu-Ray's ass. And Warner is also a huge player in the BDA
I'd love to say they will go Blu-Ray exclusive also... and really they have a lot of justification for it (a lot more then for going HD DVD exclusive), but it's just too contrary to their business plan. Warner will be neutral for a while yet for sure.
vinnie97 wrote:Didn't Paramount have some favorable things to say about their Blu-Ray support shortly before dropping the atom bomb on us in August? You can't predict anything in this war based on PR and public statements. And please stop assuming that Venturer will stay at $250...it's not shipping for another possibly 6 weeks.
Most of Paramount didn't know about the decision to go HD DVD exclusive until the day it happend... and you would know that if you paid attention to the insider's threads on any major HiDef forum... they were mastering Blu-Ray movies up until the night before the announcement was made. It was a very rushed decision. Warner is not like that, they have a good position and can take time and think things out carefully. They're not in so bad a position they'd need to jump on $150million if it was offered to them.
And common.... the Venturer is listed at $249... it's not an assumption it will sell at that price
Of course it's likely to go down when it goes on promotion.... the same is true for Toshiba HD DVD players.
And for the record, who says I'm predicting this war based off of PR and public statements? You underestimate me greatly if you think even half of my info is coming from publically stated announcements
vinnie97 wrote:Um, which was clearly an incident of more Sony FUD that you fell for. That graph notated sales in terms of money generated, NOT units...more bogus fluff.
Do I need to actually write stuff, or can I just show the picture?
From here:http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/sho ... =3084&p=10
vinnie97 wrote:At most, 1 or 2 weeks of sales of Blu-Ray player standalones outnumbered HD DVD as far as one can fairly ascertain (if not, it would reveal a never seen before consumer trend of paying more than necessary for a luxury that can be had for less with nothing sacrificed).
Really? only 1 or 2 weeks? I counted 9 on that graph. And I should remind you those are NPD numbers, and Sony would be sued if they mis-represented them.
Since I'm a nice guy, and I actually READ both sides news, I'll post the Toshiba rebuttle:http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/ ... inance/943
You'll note they reference "year to date" in there, and not "weekly sales units" so that they can still come out on top
Of course I have no difficulty admitting that this information is outdated now. But considering that Blu-Ray players are coming down in price and more and more Blockbuster movies are coming out on Blu-Ray only, or are format neutral, I think it's not entirely unlikely that the trend is continuing.
Lossless sound, yawn. The average move fan doesn't give a darn and neither do I really (not that lossless sound isn't impossible on HD DVD). DD+ is already 320 kbps per channel and I would love to hear you successfully ABX (double blind) the lossless versus the DD+ encode.
Just take a look at how transparent (undetectable from the uncompressed version) 128 kbps was in 2005 (5 being completely transparent or nondetectable from the uncompressed)!
Double this bitrate and just imagine how much more difficulty one would have.
The average movie fan doesn't care about HiDef in general... but HiDef fans tend to want to get the best bang for their buck. Of course HD DVD and Blu-Ray both support the exact same codecs... but the space limitations with HD DVD often create situations where lossless audio is not available. An example of this would be KingKong. I know a lot of neutral HiDef adopters who complain about that one in particular.
Personally, I don't have a receiver or speaker set worth of lossless sound. Yet. But it's very high on my list of things to get
vinnie97 wrote:VC-1 does marvelously well at lower bitrates and slightly raising said bitrate is apparently not offering significant or even noticeable gains (diminishing returns and compression only gets better as time marches on). Blu-Ray is still utilizing lots of MPEG, which simply requires more bandwidth to provide equivalent quality to VC-1.
Really, Blu-Ray is still utilizing MPEG? Maybe MPEG4... but that doesn't count
Seriously, *READ CURRENT NEWS* that whole MPEG2 argument is about 8 months old, and rather outdated. And MPEG4 (which I'll refer to as AVC from now on) is my favourite codec of the 3 video codecs anyways
I don't actually have any problems with VC-1, but I don't prefer it over AVC (but I do prefer it over MPEG2).
vinnie97 wrote:I agree that HDM has stagnated and that they both may in trouble (VMD might even sneak by them as they scuffle on :p) but I don't think the blame solely rests with Paramount for that.
Agreed, it's by no means 100% Paramount's fault. But it certainly didn't help things in the eyes of consumers!
vinnie97 wrote:Yes, I saw that damn newsbyte right AFTER I posted, grr. So that fellow had misinformation or the situation has improved drastically since his communication with them. Still 75% is nothing to take lightly, 1/4 goes to the can (and that report also says nothing of the time per cycle)...also, the fact that it's a Sony PR release automatically makes it suspect and in need of close inspection based on their history.
It wasn't mis-information specifically... it was heavily heavily spun, and outdated. This sort of thing crops up from time to time from both sides, and regardless of a person's alliegience, it's important (in my opinion) to be aware of what the facts are.
For the record, the failed discs from replication runs get recycled on site, so the losses involved are much smaller because of this. It's the same way with CD/DVD/HD DVD as well. Pretty common practice
We could go on all day...I should have been off this computer hours ago.