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Postby dodecahedron on Wed Jul 30, 2003 5:10 pm

i bought the Nero 5.5 upgrade + Nero 6 two and a half days ago.

i recieved both emails (Nero 5.5 key, Nero 6 free upgrade) within 3 minutes of submitting the order form! :o :D

well done Ahead! :P
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Postby dodecahedron on Wed Jul 30, 2003 5:11 pm

cfitz wrote:By the way, not that this matters for the topic at hand, but OEM is not the same as bundled. You have a bundled serial number that came with your Memorex burner.

cfitz, what's the difference between bundled and OEM?

my old Nero 5.5 said in the About spalsh: 5.5.10.42 Plextor. that's OEM right?
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Postby CowboySlim on Wed Jul 30, 2003 5:18 pm

OK, thanks, cfitz,

That will wait till I get home then I'll try it.
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Postby cfitz on Wed Jul 30, 2003 5:23 pm

That's probably a bundled serial number. But Plextor has tried to promote their image as a top-tier manufacturer, so there is a chance they might have given you a full OEM license.

Craig Campbell explained the differences here (after I ranted :oops: ):

http://www.cdrlabs.com/phpBB/viewtopic. ... 8848#48848

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Postby CowboySlim on Wed Jul 30, 2003 9:57 pm

Hey Folks,

Thanks for the tips and help! That went faster than shxx through a tin horn.

Now, you may think that this is a Colombo show: as he walks toward the door then he turns and says: "oh, by the way, one more thing. I was just thinking...............

I also have this Verbatim badged LiteOn that I am going to install in my son-law's work PC. It is bundled with NERO EXPRESS only, which is not the more complete version that came with my Memorex. Any speculation that it might work for that also?
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Postby Spazmogen on Wed Jul 30, 2003 10:00 pm

Thanks for the tips guys.

Got both e-mails with in seconds of the order.

I'm impressed with the look of the software so far.

I've yet to try a burn.

That will come soon enough...

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Postby UALOneKPlus on Wed Jul 30, 2003 10:12 pm

For your son's work PC, I'd use the Nero5.5 serial # that you got, since you're not going to be using it...


CowboySlim wrote:Hey Folks,

...I also have this Verbatim badged LiteOn that I am going to install in my son-law's work PC. It is bundled with NERO EXPRESS only, which is not the more complete version that came with my Memorex. Any speculation that it might work for that also?
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Postby dodecahedron on Wed Jul 30, 2003 10:48 pm

cfitz wrote:That's probably a bundled serial number. But Plextor has tried to promote their image as a top-tier manufacturer, so there is a chance they might have given you a full OEM license.

Craig Campbell explained the differences here (after I ranted :oops: ):

http://www.cdrlabs.com/phpBB/viewtopic. ... 8848#48848

well, looked it up there.
the OEM and OEM bundle are the same, except for the OEM bundle being restricted to the particular drive brand.

since it says in the About box 5.5.10.42 Plextor, i'm guessing it's a bundle OEM limited to Plextor drives only.
(can't test it 'cause i don't have a burner of a different brand).

anyway, it was just curiosity. i have now a full-version serial key! :)
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Postby dodecahedron on Wed Jul 30, 2003 10:51 pm

CowboySlim wrote:I also have this Verbatim badged LiteOn that I am going to install in my son-law's work PC. It is bundled with NERO EXPRESS only, which is not the more complete version that came with my Memorex. Any speculation that it might work for that also?

i think that the $19 upgrade applies to Neor Express too. that's just the point - you got Express with your drive and you want to upgrade it to the full version.
try to find in the Ahead forum some thread about Nero 6 from before it was released. the upgrade issue was discussed then (with info supplied by Eberlain and Craig Campbell) and i thing they said that the Nero 6 upgrade would be for any owner of 5.5, regular or Express. so i would assume this is true for the 5.5 upgrade too!
or just check with Ahead.

but if you have a serial of the full 5.5 which you don't use anyway, maybe just use that like UALOneKPlus said.
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Postby CowboySlim on Wed Jul 30, 2003 10:55 pm

UALOneKPlus wrote:For your son's work PC, I'd use the Nero5.5 serial # that you got, since you're not going to be using it...


CowboySlim wrote:Hey Folks,

...I also have this Verbatim badged LiteOn that I am going to install in my son-law's work PC. It is bundled with NERO EXPRESS only, which is not the more complete version that came with my Memorex. Any speculation that it might work for that also?


I'm not sure what you mean. I guess that once I put the 5.5 s/n that I bought for $19 into the Nero (nonExpress) it should work in his machine with the Verbatim?
Then use the Nero 6 in my machine with the Memorex?

I was thinking of two $19 5.5 s/ns, which would then then get two Nero 6 s/ns, one for each machine.

Anyway, I had the Nero Express loaded on my backup HDD to test it. So I booted it and did the regedit to get the NERO EXPRESS S/N. Unless Ahead tests that S/N against something to see if it is Express as opposed to nonExpress Nero and rejects it on that basis, then it should work also.
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Postby cfitz on Wed Jul 30, 2003 11:02 pm

CowboySlim wrote:I also have this Verbatim badged LiteOn that I am going to install in my son-law's work PC. It is bundled with NERO EXPRESS only, which is not the more complete version that came with my Memorex. Any speculation that it might work for that also?

I think it should work, Slim. As dodecahedron said, the point of the $19 upgrade is to upgrade any of the OEM/bundled/4/5/5.5 to 5.5 retail. And since your Verbatim Nero Express is the new bundled package (see the link I gave to dodecahedron), it should be fine. Give it a try. If it doesn't qualify, they will tell you.

CowboySlim wrote:I'm not sure what you mean. I guess that once I put the 5.5 s/n that I bought for $19 into the Nero (nonExpress) it should work in his machine with the Verbatim?
Then use the Nero 6 in my machine with the Memorex?

That would not work, at least not legally. Remember, even though you start with a bundled/OEM license, purchase an upgrade to a full retail 5.5 serial number and then get a free 6 serial number, you still legally have only one license, not three. It is pretty standard in licensing terms that an upgrade does not count as new license, so once you start using the new version you have to stop using the old version, and you certainly can't give away one of the serials to someone else (legally, that is).

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Postby UALOneKPlus on Thu Jul 31, 2003 12:16 am

cfitz wrote:...That would not work, at least not legally. Remember, even though you start with a bundled/OEM license, purchase an upgrade to a full retail 5.5 serial number and then get a free 6 serial number, you still legally have only one license, not three. It is pretty standard in licensing terms that an upgrade does not count as new license, so once you start using the new version you have to stop using the old version, and you certainly can't give away one of the serials to someone else (legally, that is).

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Postby CowboySlim on Thu Jul 31, 2003 12:34 am

I agree with both of you. To do so, I'd have to shut my eyes when I click on the "I Agree" option button.

New plan:
1. If he wants the Nero 6, I'll get another $19 s/n for the Verbatim.
2. If not, he'll get the Memorex with Nero 5.5 and I'll put the Nero 6 in the Verbatim (both are LiteOn LTR-52246S models).
Can be done with open eyes like these: :o
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Postby Spazmogen on Thu Jul 31, 2003 11:52 am

Thanks again cfitz (et all).

I wound up buying the $48 US ($69 CDN) full serial #.

I didn't want to take a chance that I'd get a bundled serial # back from Ahead. I've got both a Lite On & NEC drive that I need to ensure work with the software.

It's a shame there's so many bugs left in the Nero 6. I reverted back to 5.5 until they're cured.
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Postby David on Thu Jul 31, 2003 11:58 am

It seems the limited time is now up the 5.5 ordering is gone all that is there is Nero 6.
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Postby cfitz on Thu Jul 31, 2003 12:27 pm

Spazmogen wrote:Thanks again cfitz (et all).

I wound up buying the $48 US ($69 CDN) full serial #.

I respect your decision, but your fears were unfounded. The full retail 5.5/6 serial numbers I purchased using my bundled serial from my Memorex drive work on both my Memorex drive and Yamaha drive. This is as it should be, since I purchased an upgrade from bundled to full retail.

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Postby Spazmogen on Thu Jul 31, 2003 12:29 pm

It was good while it lasted though !

Hell, I saved $20 US ($28 CDN) just by buying the full 5.5 serial # yesterday. Today, the 6.0 is $69.99 US.

I'm glad cfitz PM'd me. Otherwise I'd have missed this one.
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Postby cfitz on Thu Jul 31, 2003 12:29 pm

David wrote:It seems the limited time is now up the 5.5 ordering is gone all that is there is Nero 6.

So it seems. Too bad, it was nice while it lasted.

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Postby Spazmogen on Thu Jul 31, 2003 1:15 pm

cfitz wrote:
Spazmogen wrote:Thanks again cfitz (et all).

I wound up buying the $48 US ($69 CDN) full serial #.

I respect your decision, but your fears were unfounded. The full retail 5.5/6 serial numbers I purchased using my bundled serial from my Memorex drive work on both my Memorex drive and Yamaha drive. This is as it should be, since I purchased an upgrade from bundled to full retail.

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Thanks. But I'm not sure it's free & clear yet.

from HERE
"We have got some problems in the current demoversions with the serialnumbers.
This problems will be fixed with the next update which will go online at saturday, the 2nd of August.
Please do not enter your bought serialnumber before saturday after installing the newest update."

I'm not sure how to read that. It's ambiguous.

Are they aware of the serial # problem, or of the bugs in the program or both?
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Postby dhc014 on Thu Jul 31, 2003 1:23 pm

I'll bet that that bug is the one reported here: http://www.cdrlabs.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=11899 :P
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Postby Spazmogen on Thu Jul 31, 2003 1:36 pm

LOL :lol:

I see cfitz and I are having the same conversation over 2 different threads.
HERE

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Postby cfitz on Thu Jul 31, 2003 1:40 pm

dhc014 wrote:I'll bet that that bug is the one reported here: http://www.cdrlabs.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=11899 :P

I also suspect that the problem reported in the link you gave is part of the bug Ahead is working on. There may be others as well.

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Postby cfitz on Thu Jul 31, 2003 1:41 pm

Spazmogen wrote:LOL :lol:

I see cfitz and I are having the same conversation over 2 different threads.
HERE

:lol:

Yeah! :D And Dave has joined in as well, since he linked to that same thread. :wink:

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Postby UALOneKPlus on Thu Jul 31, 2003 2:11 pm

cfitz wrote:
David wrote:It seems the limited time is now up the 5.5 ordering is gone all that is there is Nero 6.

So it seems. Too bad, it was nice while it lasted.

cfitz


Thanks again for the tip, cfitz. I now have my Nero 6 serial # awaiting to be installed on a more stable version of the software.

BTW - you have dual processor P3 PC's?? :o I never knew anyone with dual CPU's before. Does it make a huge difference in speed? Is it faster than a P4 machine?
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Postby cfitz on Thu Jul 31, 2003 3:23 pm

UALOneKPlus wrote:Thanks again for the tip, cfitz.

You're welcome.

UALOneKPLus wrote:I now have my Nero 6 serial # awaiting to be installed on a more stable version of the software.

Sounds like a lot of us are taking that strategy. :(

UALOneKPlus wrote:BTW - you have dual processor P3 PC's?? :o I never knew anyone with dual CPU's before. Does it make a huge difference in speed? Is it faster than a P4 machine?

LOL :lol: Someone else asked me that recently as well. The answer is: no, it isn't that big a deal and certainly nothing to be envious about. This is an older system with dual 1 GHz P3 processors, 133 MHz FSB, 512 MByte SDRAM and an el-cheapo ATI RAGE XL 4 MByte PCI video card. Not exactly the stuff that gamers and over-clockers dream of... :wink: :D

Moreover, a big majority of consumer programs aren't written to take advantage of multiple processors, so it really looks like a single processor 1 GHz P3 box to those programs. :(

I'm sure there are plenty of single processor P4 boxes out there that can run rings around this thing. Here are some Sandra 2003.7.9.73 benchmark results if you want to see how badly your computer can beat up on mine: :D

CPU Arithmetic Benchmark:
Dhrystone ALU = 5381 MIPS
Whetstone FPU = 2643 MFLOPS

CPU Multi-Media Benchmark:
Integer iSSE = 9986 it/s
Float iSSE = 13017 it/s

File System Benchmark:
Drive Index = 17880 kB/s

Memory Bandwidth Benchmark:
RAM Bandwidth Int Buff iSSE = 630 MB/s
RAM Bandwidth Float Buff iSSE = 671 MB/s

Cache & Memory Benchmark:
peak rate = 14544 MB/s


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