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Postby pchilson on Thu Nov 27, 2003 1:51 pm

RJW wrote:According to internal quality standards the Fuji Prodisc's should match TY media quite cloes.

And just where are you getting the "internal quality standards" ?

Is this publicly available information? Or do you have some secrets?

I can't imagine that any media manufacturer would try to produce "crap".
I see it as:
  • Each manufacturer may have multiple dye types.
  • Each dye composition is better suited to a particular use than others.
  • Each dye "batch" is variable from one to the next.
  • Firmware writers add support for media by identifying the manufacturer and dye.
  • The burn quality is established by the identification and the optimization for that ID.
  • Incorrect ID's OR faulty optimizations result in low burn quality or failures.
  • Correct ID's with so so optimizations result in adequate burn quality.
  • Correct ID's with high optimizations result in high burn quality.
Do I get the gist or am I all wet?
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Postby dodecahedron on Thu Nov 27, 2003 2:46 pm

dolphinius_rex wrote:Maxell has been using Ritek for their regular line of CD-Rs for a VERY long time! longer then fuji using T.Y. even I think. Maxell Pro discs are always made by T.Y., and their Maxell 80XL-S line is made by Hitachi Maxell themselves. Maxell is possibly the safest media to buy with respect to knowing the manufacturer before opening the packaging. :D

OK, what "line" of Maxell CDRs are the Ritek TG then?
the 80XL-S are Hitachi-Maxell
the Pro are TY
how do i identify the Ritek TG Maxells?
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Postby rdgrimes on Thu Nov 27, 2003 2:48 pm

Just get the regular 48x CDR's
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Postby dodecahedron on Thu Nov 27, 2003 2:56 pm

hi rdgrimes. thanks.
rdgrimes wrote:Just get the regular 48x CDR's

so they are labelled as Maxell but no "XL-S"?

also, how would you rate them comapared with the TDK - Ritek TG you told me once about? any difference in quality or otherwise?
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Postby rdgrimes on Thu Nov 27, 2003 3:05 pm

dodecahedron wrote:hi rdgrimes. thanks.
rdgrimes wrote:Just get the regular 48x CDR's

so they are labelled as Maxell but no "XL-S"?

also, how would you rate them comapared with the TDK - Ritek TG you told me once about? any difference in quality or otherwise?


Same thing as the TDK. The current Maxell are in a bright blue-green package.

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Postby dodecahedron on Thu Nov 27, 2003 3:21 pm

thanks.
never saw such packaging.

what i get to see around here is more like
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strangely, http://www.instantinfo.de/index_cdrohlinge_e.php identifies both these XL-S as TY!
but this:

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XL PRO is identified as Hitachi-Maxell! maybe it's because this is old media (12x)...
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Postby dodecahedron on Thu Nov 27, 2003 3:24 pm

actually, this is what it looks like here:

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it looks to be the same plastic box as in your picture, rdgrimes.

incidentally, do these look anything like the TDK - Ritek TG you see?

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Postby dolphinius_rex on Thu Nov 27, 2003 5:22 pm

All the Maxell 80XL-S I've ever used has been Hitchi Maxell, not T.Y. and I've used the same packaged ones as the ones shown at instantinfo as being T.Y. ....

The TDK available here has red packaging... although it can also be CMC, I don't know if it has the TG dye or not.
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Postby rdgrimes on Thu Nov 27, 2003 5:28 pm

The ritek cakebox is unmistakable, even the DVD's use it.
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Postby MediumRare on Thu Nov 27, 2003 6:22 pm

dodecahedron wrote:thanks.
never saw such packaging.

what i get to see around here is more like
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I have a pack of those. They're RiTEK. See Media Compatibility Thread.

rdgrimes- you keep refering to these as "RiTEK TG". Where do you see the "TG"? I've just seen "JS dye".
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Postby dodecahedron on Thu Nov 27, 2003 9:57 pm

@dolphin:
InstantInfo is known to be inaccurate at times.

rdgrimes wrote:The ritek cakebox is unmistakable, even the DVD's use it.
@rdgrimes:
sorry, i'm not sure i understood what you meant.
does your comment mean that these TDKs in the picture appear to be the Ritek TG ? or where you referring to the Maxells?

@MediumRare:
read here: http://www.cdrlabs.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=13343
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Postby rdgrimes on Thu Nov 27, 2003 11:20 pm

Ritek always have the gray base with the 3 locking tabs, and a rounded top edge on the cake-box.
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Postby dodecahedron on Fri Nov 28, 2003 3:08 am

rdgrimes wrote:Ritek always have the gray base with the 3 locking tabs, and a rounded top edge on the cake-box.

that would be then both the TDKs and the Maxells in the pictures in my previous post.
i guess i'll have to go buy some and experiment! :D (as soon as i get my LTR-52327S and can start using KProbe 8) )
thanks for the info rd :D
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Postby TheWizard on Fri Nov 28, 2003 4:23 am

How to tell manufacturer's packaging is expounded upon in this thread. :wink:

http://www.cdrlabs.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=7280
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Postby dodecahedron on Fri Nov 28, 2003 4:38 am

TheWizard wrote:How to tell manufacturer's packaging is expounded upon in this thread. :wink:

http://www.cdrlabs.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=7280

yeah, i know, i know that thread.
as i've already said before, when i'll have some time i'll try to make a short FAQ out of it maybe...

although, i'm not sure how relevant the info is outside the US. packaging isn't always the same everywhere...
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Postby MediumRare on Fri Nov 28, 2003 4:49 am

dodecahedron wrote:@MediumRare:
read here: http://www.cdrlabs.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=13343

Thanks- I missed that thread. Was offline at the time.
However: Smartburn (old) sayed "JS-Dye" for those Maxell discs, and the serial number is something like "DC2JS...". Is JS-dye the same as TG?

To get back to Fuji's (a bit 8) ), the Fuji cakeboxes in Europe are also RiTEK, with the same ATIP as the Maxell's. My experience has been very good- they are among the best discs I've used. See Fuji 48x (RiTEK)

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Postby TheWizard on Fri Nov 28, 2003 8:29 am

dodecahedron wrote:as i've already said before, when i'll have some time i'll try to make a short FAQ out of it maybe...

although, i'm not sure how relevant the info is outside the US. packaging isn't always the same everywhere...


It is already in the FAQ section under the CD & DVD Media Technology Guide topic, but if you want to make it its own thread, be my guest. :)
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Postby Harrier on Sun Dec 14, 2003 11:30 am

dodecahedron,

I have bought some of the TDKs you talked about (Certified 48X, with a white protective-layer coating). These are RiTEK, not doubt.

Written at 12X with Audio (TAO) and scanned at full speed, with my LTR52327S, it gave me an average C1 error rate of 0.11. Data burn gave me about 0.12. I'll upload some screen shots later.

I can't imagine it getting any better, thus leading me to deduce that these RiTEK are of the TG dye.

When checked with Smart-Burn V2.0 i got "RiTEK, TG" with all of my RiTEK CDrs. Even old Samsung gold CDrs Certified 16X 650MB were identified as "RiTEK, TG". The "medium" RiTEKs i have (1.0-3.0) are of the TG dye. All of my RiTEKs, including the above TDKs, have "JS" interlaced in the code, beside one CDr (AZO of some sort).


About th mythical TG dye, could anyone certify that all RiTEKs certified for 48X are of the TG dye?
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Postby xchagg on Fri Dec 26, 2003 1:36 pm

MediumRare wrote:
dodecahedron wrote:thanks.
never saw such packaging.

what i get to see around here is more like
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I have a pack of those. They're RiTEK. See Media Compatibility Thread.

rdgrimes- you keep refering to these as "RiTEK TG". Where do you see the "TG"? I've just seen "JS dye".
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I bought one in a slim case recently. The packaging was nearly identical except mine were rated @ 40x instead of 48x and there was a barcode. However, when I used CDSpeed, it didn't identify the disc as RiTEK but . .

Manufacturer : Hitachi Maxell
Code : 97m25s29f
Disc Type : CD-R
Usage : General
Recording Layer : Dye Type 9: Short Strategy (Phthalocyanine)
Recording Speed : n/a
Capacity : 79:59.74
703 MB
Additional Capacity : n/a
Overburn Capacity : not tested

Can someone kindly enlighten me :wink:
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Fri Dec 26, 2003 3:04 pm

ook, this is getting WAY off topic!

First of all, the problems people have been having with Maxell CD-Rs either being Ritek or Maxell made, all stem from where they are purchased. I would say that all Maxell 80XL-S CD-Rs are made by Hitchi Maxell, *IF* purchased in North America.... however there can always be exceptions. Regular Maxell CD-Rs in North America should be made by Ritek. Now, the European stock of Maxell CD-Rs can be quite different, and in fact the opposite! For instance, I have access to regular Maxell CD-Rs that are also made by Hitchachi Maxell.... but they never should have been brought out to North America!

On to the Ritek dye questions:

Please bear in mind, this is confusing as heck, and I may have become confused myself... but as *I* understand it, from what I have been told by Ritek USA, here is the explanation:

Ritek has several dye types that they have used in the past. Currently, they use 2, and only 1 officially. These 2 dye types are the regular JS dye type, and Ricoh's Dye type. The Ricoh dye type is ONLY used for Ricoh's OEM jobs through Ritek, and therefore not an official dye type in use.

Ritek previously, even as recent as last year (I believe) was also using an older dye type, which they refered to as 'G' dye, which is sometimes (but not always, it appears) identified as such by SmartBurn 2.0 as TG. The 'G' dye is supposed to have a greenish tinge to it, and the 'JS' dye type is supposed to be more silver.

Again, this is *only* as *I* understand it. RJW may also have additional info on this as well (??)

I hope that sorta clears things up a little :D
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Postby QQ on Sat Dec 27, 2003 7:09 pm

Sorry for interfering into the discussion, but does anyone else have the same problem I do: my LTR-48246K will only allow me to burn my Fuji 52x at 16x :(

What gives, and is it possibile to fix that?

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