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CD-RW loud & makes my original audio CDs hot to the touc

Postby caffeinated on Sun Jan 12, 2003 9:14 pm

I've got an LG CD-RW and it always spins fast and loud, leaving my music listening experience less than it might otherwise be. The CDs are hot - and I mean HOT - to the touch. Is there anything I can do to remedy this (overlooked software setting) or is that just the way these CD-RWs are? Is it better/necessary to get a CD or DVD reader to listen to my tunes?

Thanks in advance!
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Postby TheWizard on Sun Jan 12, 2003 10:34 pm

I think you have a bad drive, LG is well-known for making quiet drives. I have the GCE-8320B and it is as quiet as a mouse. My advice, exchange the drive for a new GCE-8320B.
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Postby caffeinated on Mon Jan 13, 2003 1:17 am

TheWizard wrote:I think you have a bad drive, LG is well-known for making quiet drives. I have the GCE-8320B and it is as quiet as a mouse. My advice, exchange the drive for a new GCE-8320B.


Thanks, I may just RMA it back to the vendor. Hey, you aren't the Wizard from ncix.com are you? Just curious. :-?
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Postby dodecahedron on Mon Jan 13, 2003 1:36 am

caffeinated wrote:Hey, you aren't the Wizard from ncix.com are you? Just curious. :-?

hey, this seems to happen often recently, doesn't it? :wink:

http://www.cdrlabs.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=7271
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TheWizard wrote:Heh, I found Spaz's identity at the cd-rw.org forums. Isn't that right, Racemann? :D

http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/15755

Or perhaps I'm not the gumshoe that I thought I was and this guy ripped off Spaz's work. Which is true, Spaz?


As Action Jackson said, it was him, not me.

But while we're on the sleuth subject. Are you the same TheWizard who's posting @ NCIX.COM ?

http://www.ncix.com/canada/showthread.p ... ct_id=8693

If yes, you found out who I was back in November!

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Postby caffeinated on Mon Jan 13, 2003 3:21 am

That is rather amusing!

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Postby Spazmogen on Mon Jan 13, 2003 4:45 am

I thought that post looked familiar !

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Postby caffeinated on Mon Jan 13, 2003 9:43 am

I'd like to get back to one of my unanswered questions:

Is it desirable to have a second CDR (or DVDR) drive? Are there ever any practical instances where such a setup comes in handy?
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Postby TheWizard on Mon Jan 13, 2003 8:11 pm

Hehe, no, I'm not the same Wizard from NCIX.com.
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Postby KCK on Mon Jan 13, 2003 8:39 pm

caffeinated:

Getting back to your latest question, if your box can accomodate it, you could get a DVD-ROM drive. First, they are fairly cheap nowadays, and quiet when playing audio CDs. Second, your LG burner will last longer. Third, you could copy on-the-fly from the reader to the burner. And finally, you could watch DVD movies as well! :D

PS: Could you answer Action Jackson's question in your "lost files" thread? I'm interested as well.
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Postby caffeinated on Mon Jan 13, 2003 10:58 pm

KCK wrote:caffeinated:

Getting back to your latest question, if your box can accomodate it, you could get a DVD-ROM drive. First, they are fairly cheap nowadays, and quiet when playing audio CDs. Second, your LG burner will last longer. Third, you could copy on-the-fly from the reader to the burner. And finally, you could watch DVD movies as well! :D

PS: Could you answer Action Jackson's question in your "lost files" thread? I'm interested as well.

Thanks, KCK! Of course, all of your points are great reasons to go for a DVD reader, but I was wondering about more specific advantages. For instance, I remember a guy online claiming that when some CDs are not functional when run in the burner they were created in. Does anyone know if there is any substance to this claim?
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Postby KCK on Mon Jan 13, 2003 11:54 pm

caffeinated:

Yes, although current burners are typically excellent readers (e.g., the latest Lite-Ons), it's possible that a disc of marginal quality can be read with more success on other readers or burners than the burner it was created in. This is why when users complain about not being able to read a disc, the first advice is "Did you try it in another burner or reader?".

Your latest bad experience with DirectCD discs provides yet another good example. If a packet-written disc has errors, then trying to read it in a packet-writing burner may worsen the chance of recovering your data, because the burner may attempt to correct these errors. It is much safer to try to read the disc on a CD-ROM or DVD-ROM first, or use the reader to create another copy of the disc which can be used in further experiments.
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Postby cfitz on Tue Jan 14, 2003 1:59 am

caffeinated wrote:I remember a guy online claiming that when some CDs are not functional when run in the burner they were created in. Does anyone know if there is any substance to this claim?

I suspect this may refer to some copy protection schemes that attempt to read the ATIP code from the disc in the drive to determine whether or not the disc is an original or a CD-R copy. All CD-R blanks contain an ATIP code that identifies the CD-R. When the protected program on the copy-protected disc begins to execute, it checks for an ATIP code, and if it finds one that identifies the disc as being a CD-R, the program concludes that it is being executed from a copy and refuses to run.

How does this relate to data being readable in a CD-ROM or DVD-ROM but not in a CD-RW? CD-RW drives read ATIP codes because they need to be able to read them to identify blank CD-R media. CD-ROM and DVD-ROM drives don't typically read ATIP codes since they have no need to. Thus, a disc burned burned and played in a CD-RW will fail since the CD-RW drive will read the ATIP code and allow the copy-protection scheme to identify the disc as a CD-R, while the same disc will work in a CD-ROM or DVD-ROM since those drives won't read the ATIP code and the disc will appear to be an orignal.

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Postby caffeinated on Tue Jan 14, 2003 9:24 pm

cfitz wrote:
caffeinated wrote:I remember a guy online claiming that when some CDs are not functional when run in the burner they were created in. Does anyone know if there is any substance to this claim?

I suspect this may refer to some copy protection schemes that attempt to read the ATIP code from the disc in the drive to determine whether or not the disc is an original or a CD-R copy. All CD-R blanks contain an ATIP code that identifies the CD-R. When the protected program on the copy-protected disc begins to execute, it checks for an ATIP code, and if it finds one that identifies the disc as being a CD-R, the program concludes that it is being executed from a copy and refuses to run.

How does this relate to data being readable in a CD-ROM or DVD-ROM but not in a CD-RW? CD-RW drives read ATIP codes because they need to be able to read them to identify blank CD-R media. CD-ROM and DVD-ROM drives don't typically read ATIP codes since they have no need to. Thus, a disc burned burned and played in a CD-RW will fail since the CD-RW drive will read the ATIP code and allow the copy-protection scheme to identify the disc as a CD-R, while the same disc will work in a CD-ROM or DVD-ROM since those drives won't read the ATIP code and the disc will appear to be an orignal.

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Yes, it all comes back to me now. Thank you for that excellent explanation - this is a very good reason for me to consider a separate reader.

Thanks again! :)
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