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MBIL on par with Taiyo Yuden?

Postby dolphinius_rex on Tue Aug 31, 2004 1:54 pm

I thought I'd share this excerpt from an e-mail I received recently... some parts blocked out to protect personal information:

My name is **** ******* and I am the marketing director for ******** ***** ***. The North American distributor for Moser Baer India (MBI) who is #3 in the world in optical media production, right behind Ritek and CMC. However, I'm sure you will find our media of much higher quality, more on par with a Taiyo Yuden or other A-grade media, but at a much more competitive price.

I would like to send you some samples of our latest CD-R and DVD-R/+R media. I'm sure you will find them of very high quality and reliability. All of our media is fully licensed with Philips (www.licensing.philips.com) so there are not royalty or patent issues with MBI media.

Our DVD media is essentially the same as Taiyo Yuden, Verbatim, Pioneer or any other top Japanese media because we are all paying the exact same licensing fees to Mitsubishi Chemical (4x product) or Fuji (8x product) for their dye and substrate design.


I had a couple of good laughs over this.
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Postby Ian on Tue Aug 31, 2004 1:56 pm

They are much better than they used to be, but up to TY standards? :roll:
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Tue Aug 31, 2004 2:01 pm

Ian wrote:They are much better than they used to be, but up to TY standards? :roll:


I know they've improved... but I don't think they are as good as they claim to be :-?
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Postby Ian on Tue Aug 31, 2004 2:12 pm

Other than your buddy at Optodisc, I have yet to find any media manufacturer that is honest about their discs.
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Postby Silentbob343 on Tue Aug 31, 2004 2:21 pm

take the free media and do a side-by-side comparo.
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Tue Aug 31, 2004 3:16 pm

Silentbob343 wrote:take the free media and do a side-by-side comapro.


If I can.... I don't always get all the free handouts, but there is a good chance I'll get at least a couple pieces to play with.... I hope!
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Postby Wesociety on Thu Sep 02, 2004 6:28 pm

Moser Baer makes good media, but it is definitely NOT "essentially the same as Taiyo Yuden".
hahaha!

I am definitely interested in seeing how their 8X media performs.
I expect it will work well, possibly even at 12X or 16X on some drives. :)
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Postby Bhairav on Thu Sep 02, 2004 11:51 pm

wesociety wrote:Moser Baer makes good media, but it is definitely NOT "essentially the same as Taiyo Yuden".
hahaha!

I am definitely interested in seeing how their 8X media performs.
I expect it will work well, possibly even at 12X or 16X on some drives. :)


They are expected out in a couple of weeks or so.. my uncle has an office adjoining their plant in Gurgaon, near Delhi, so he gets the media dirt cheap. Funny thing is, my Lite-On actually burns well on their 4X -R media.
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Postby AlienTech on Sat Oct 02, 2004 11:19 am

bhairavp wrote:They are expected out in a couple of weeks or so.. my uncle has an office adjoining their plant in Gurgaon, near Delhi, so he gets the media dirt cheap. Funny thing is, my Lite-On actually burns well on their 4X -R media.


Well now I find that MCC media is identical to MBI media.. I got some MBI media (2 types) and it turned out to be MCC media. They even look identical to the thin line that starts at the lead in area which I haven't seen on any other media. And there is one difference, MCC -R media will burn @ 4x with no changes while the MBI media wont. So either MBI is making fakes or MBI is owned by MCC.. Which is not surprising. Lots of Japanese companies go to India and buy a major stake in some company and change the name to sell stuff. I think these will burn @ 8x with write strategy change just like the MBI media. MBI-Pro media quality is on par with any Japanese media like Ricoh or MCC. But costs just as much. While the OEM costs much less and seems quality is lower as well. MBI just needs to keep those Japanese managers around so the guys dont take their rice and curry into the clean rooms.

Oh bhairavp, someone offered me some media for rs19.. in 100 lots.. But...
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Sat Oct 02, 2004 1:39 pm

AlienTech wrote:
Well now I find that MCC media is identical to MBI media.. I got some MBI media (2 types) and it turned out to be MCC media. They even look identical to the thin line that starts at the lead in area which I haven't seen on any other media. And there is one difference, MCC -R media will burn @ 4x with no changes while the MBI media wont. So either MBI is making fakes or MBI is owned by MCC.


Wrong on both counts.... MBIL is one of the companies MCC uses to OEM their media. MCC has VERY limited production capacity on their own, so they use plants like CMC, MBIL, and Prodisc to help make up the extra production volume they can't handle on their own. MBIL is not making fakes, and is not owned by MCC... they are licensing MCC technology. This is the same as Prodisc, who also licenses Fuji and MCC technology.

The fact is, many MANY common discs carry a different plants' MID code then the plant that actually manufactured them. Not a majority of discs I don't think, but a pretty strong minority.
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Postby farookh on Tue Oct 12, 2004 8:39 pm

MBI have improved a lot the dvd+r disc are quite good.
This is a scan of a 4x media written @ 8x using mbi 8x media stategy swap on a 1213s@1633s

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Postby dolphinius_rex on Tue Oct 12, 2004 10:04 pm

I'd rather see a tranfer rate test done at 12x or faster personally. Every LiteOn drive (not just model #) scans discs differently, so it's impossible to make a good disc quality assessment on a K-Probe scan alone (in my opinion). Also, LiteON drives are VERY forgiving when it comes to reading discs.
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Postby AlienTech on Thu Oct 21, 2004 8:26 am

OK I confirmed this with the dealer.. He said he ordered from the factory Moser baer blanks and this is what he got, bill said Moser baer blanks.. In fact I got 2 batches of them and they are identical except the Moser baer's will not burn @ 4x on my liteon 812 with ANY firmware but the Mitsubishi ones works fine. I have tried over 100 disks so its not from just 1 batch. Moser is selling which ever one is on hand.. Now if they would just label what the media id was on the disk on the cover it woudl amke life easier.



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Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD-R:MBI 01RG20 ]
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Disc Type : [DVD-R]
Manufacturer ID : [MBI 01RG20 ]
Manufacturer Name : [Moser Baer India Ltd.]
Disc Application Code : [Unrestricted Use : Consumer Purpose]
Recording Speeds : [1x , 2x , 4x] (8x Cannot Be Detected)
Blank Disc Capacity : [2,298,496 Sectors = 4,489.3MB = 4.38GB (4.71GB)]
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** INFO : An Empty Writable Disc Is Recommended For Accurate Results
** INFO : Drive = LITE-ON DVDRW SOHW-832S [FW CG3B]
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD+R DVD+R-DL DVD+RW DVD-R DVD-RW
** INFO : Disc = [DVD-R:MBI 01RG20 ]
** INFO : Write Speeds (Supported By This Drive On This Disc) Listed Below

** INFO : GET PERFORMANCE Write Speed Descriptor(s)
Descriptor #1 = 11080 KBPS ( 8.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 = 8310 KBPS ( 6.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #3 = 5540 KBPS ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #4 = 2770 KBPS ( 2.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]

** INFO : MODE SENSE Write Speed Descriptor(s) [Legacy Command]
Descriptor #1 = 11080 KBPS ( 8.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 = 8310 KBPS ( 6.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #3 = 5540 KBPS ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #4 = 2770 KBPS ( 2.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
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** INFO : Hex Dump Of 'Media Code'-Block Listed Below
** INFO : 4-Byte Header Preceding 'Media Code'-Block Discarded
** INFO : Format 0Eh - Pre-Recorded Information In Lead-In
0000 : 01 40 c1 fd 9e d8 52 00 02 87 0d 11 66 78 80 00 .@....R.....fx..
0010 : 03 4d 42 49 20 30 31 00 04 52 47 32 30 20 20 00 .MBI 01..RG20 .
0020 : 05 a8 82 00 20 00 02 00 06 09 11 11 87 78 90 00 .... ........x..
0030 : 07 a8 82 00 20 00 00 00 08 05 16 0d 10 0a 09 00 .... ...........
0040 : 09 97 07 0e 0b 58 88 00 0a c0 00 00 00 00 10 00 .....X..........
0050 : 0b 07 1c 13 a8 89 65 00 0c b6 89 88 80 00 00 00 ......e.........
0060 : 0d 00 00 d0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0070 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0080 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0090 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00a0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00b0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00c0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00d0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00e0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00f0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
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Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD-R:MCC 01RG20 ]
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Disc Type : [DVD-R]
Manufacturer ID : [MCC 01RG20 ]
Manufacturer Name : [Mitsubishi Chemical Corp.]
Disc Application Code : [Unrestricted Use : Consumer Purpose]
Recording Speeds : [1x , 2x , 4x] (8x Cannot Be Detected)
Blank Disc Capacity : [2,298,496 Sectors = 4,489.3MB = 4.38GB (4.71GB)]
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** INFO : An Empty Writable Disc Is Recommended For Accurate Results
** INFO : Drive = LITE-ON DVDRW SOHW-832S [FW CG3B]
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD+R DVD+R-DL DVD+RW DVD-R DVD-RW
** INFO : Disc = [DVD-R:MCC 01RG20 ]
** INFO : Write Speeds (Supported By This Drive On This Disc) Listed Below

** INFO : GET PERFORMANCE Write Speed Descriptor(s)
Descriptor #1 = 5540 KBPS ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 = 2770 KBPS ( 2.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]

** INFO : MODE SENSE Write Speed Descriptor(s) [Legacy Command]
Descriptor #1 = 5540 KBPS ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 = 2770 KBPS ( 2.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
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** INFO : Hex Dump Of 'Media Code'-Block Listed Below
** INFO : 4-Byte Header Preceding 'Media Code'-Block Discarded
** INFO : Format 0Eh - Pre-Recorded Information In Lead-In
0000 : 01 40 c1 fd 9e d8 52 00 02 87 0d 11 66 78 80 00 .@....R.....fx..
0010 : 03 4d 43 43 20 30 31 00 04 52 47 32 30 20 20 00 .MCC 01..RG20 .
0020 : 05 a8 82 00 20 00 02 00 06 09 11 11 87 78 90 00 .... ........x..
0030 : 07 a8 82 00 20 00 00 00 08 05 17 0d 10 0b 0b 00 .... ...........
0040 : 09 96 08 0f 0b 60 88 00 0a c0 00 00 00 00 10 00 .....`..........
0050 : 0b 07 1c 13 a8 89 65 00 0c b6 89 88 80 00 00 00 ......e.........
0060 : 0d 00 00 d0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0070 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0080 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0090 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00a0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00b0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00c0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00d0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00e0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00f0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
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