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Postby Subby on Fri Sep 02, 2005 3:43 pm

Ok, Verbatim it is then. Thanks for the replies. That's a really handy list Dolphinius, I appreciate it.
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Fri Sep 02, 2005 4:25 pm

Subby wrote:Ok, Verbatim it is then. Thanks for the replies. That's a really handy list Dolphinius, I appreciate it.


I didn't burn 150 different discs on the drive for nothing :wink:
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Postby crossg on Fri Sep 02, 2005 6:56 pm

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mrslim wrote:At rima.com, TYG02 costs $41 per 100 DVD-R discs, TYG03, the 16x version is $50. The aforementioned Acro Circle 8x media is $28. That's a big difference. What benefit would I gain by spending the extra money on the TY media? Durability over time? Recording quality? Something else? Nothing, at least in a practical sense? Something else?


The TY media is generally better made, and will probably last longer.... although A-Grade Optodisc has scored quite well in longevity tests in the past, I would still chose Taiyo Yuden over it for important stuff. 99% of my personal stuff goes on Acro Circle 8x DVD-Rs these days though. They have become quite stable on most burners, and the pricing is too good to ignore. (just don't use them on Pioneer DVR-107's!!).

As for Taiyo Yuden 16x DVD-Rs... they don't work on the DW1640, even with the latest firmware. Well, they'll burn at 16x... but the results are horrible! So stick with TY 8x DVD-Rs, or Acro Circle 8x DVD-Rs (buy Acro Circle specifically, since many *MANY* companies will sell B grade or worse Optodisc media as 'A Grade' Optodisc.... even Rima! So look for Acro Circle brand).
Hehe TYG03 doesn't often give QS 99's but it's quite consistant at QS 98's. Horrible might be a bit of an overstatement.
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Fri Sep 02, 2005 7:14 pm

crossg wrote:Hehe TYG03 doesn't often give QS 99's but it's quite consistant at QS 98's. Horrible might be a bit of an overstatement.
:wink: http://www.cdrlabs.com/phpBB/viewtopic. ... 315#145315


Well, I wasn't using that firmware at the time.... and even so, I've never had the as good results on those scans. Not even once!
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Postby ETP on Fri Sep 02, 2005 7:42 pm

They may have some Verbat 16X 25 packs left at BB for $10. I will check it out Sat. and use the 10% coupon!
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Postby crossg on Fri Sep 02, 2005 7:46 pm

dolphinius_rex wrote:
crossg wrote:Hehe TYG03 doesn't often give QS 99's but it's quite consistant at QS 98's. Horrible might be a bit of an overstatement.
:wink: http://www.cdrlabs.com/phpBB/viewtopic. ... 315#145315


Well, I wasn't using that firmware at the time.... and even so, I've never had the as good results on those scans. Not even once!
Seems Typical latley that one batch to the next differ quite a bit. Mine is (73) writes well in both my 1620's Nec 3520 and the 1640 but my Plextor 716A just destroys this stuff. :(
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Fri Sep 02, 2005 7:51 pm

I've noticed that 16x media in general rarely performs as well as 8x@12x or even 8x@16x :o

Hopefully that will be fixed with newer firmwares and drives... but it seems almost universal
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Postby crossg on Fri Sep 02, 2005 8:07 pm

@ETP I agree Verbatim is great media seems to burn best @12x in my burners. :)
@dolphinius_rex. Yes agree 8x media seems better oversped than 16x media, although I am really hoping with the new release of YUDEN000 T03 that might change. You would probaby have a better idea than I about that though. :wink: Oh Yeah, Go B.C. Lions!!!
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Postby TCAS on Sat Sep 03, 2005 12:12 pm

I have very bad experiences with Immation, but among the good onesare FujiFilm DVD+/-R (8x) and Maxell DVD+/-R(8X) both made in Japan.
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Postby Subby on Sat Sep 03, 2005 2:38 pm

Yay. - Aussies take note, I just found a local distributor of Taiyo Yuden - JPL Displays.

They sell thermal printable and inkjet printable versions - is there any reason to prefer one over the other performance or longevity wise? Here's the product page. http://www.jpldisplays.com.au/oscommerc ... rers_id=23
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Postby crossg on Sat Sep 03, 2005 3:49 pm

TCAS wrote:I have very bad experiences with Immation, but among the good onesare FujiFilm DVD+/-R (8x) and Maxell DVD+/-R(8X) both made in Japan.
Spent most of yesterday morning digging through media at Best Buy and another store for Fuji and Maxell MIJ and all we could could find was MIT. Talk about hard to find MIJ latley! Unless you order it. Guess we got a little spoiled.
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Postby ETP on Sat Sep 03, 2005 4:01 pm

No MIJ TY or maxell then I would buy the verbat 16X +R.

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Postby TCAS on Sat Sep 03, 2005 6:37 pm

Circuit also has on sale (Sept 4-10) DVD+/-R(8X) nexXtech brand $6.98 for pack of 25. The -R one are Verbatim brand with MID MCC 03RG20. Look the following:
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Postby ETP on Sun Sep 04, 2005 6:11 am

Nice price TCAS!

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Postby dolphinius_rex on Mon Sep 05, 2005 2:23 am

TCAS wrote:Circuit also has on sale (Sept 4-10) DVD+/-R(8X) nexXtech brand $6.98 for pack of 25. The -R one are Verbatim brand with MID MCC 03RG20. Look the following:


No, they are NEXXTECH brand, and *NOT* Verbatim brand. There is a VERY big difference between having a Mitsubishi MID code and having Verbatim level quality.
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Postby thegdog on Mon Sep 05, 2005 2:47 pm

dolphinius_rex wrote:No, they are NEXXTECH brand, and *NOT* Verbatim brand. There is a VERY big difference between having a Mitsubishi MID code and having Verbatim level quality.

I had bought some NEXXTECH 8x DVD+R media a while back when they were on sale for $7. It was a CMC MID code. I planned to use the media for discs that I gave to other people. (Why give family the TY media? Heh.)

My NEC drive used to burn those things amazingly well. I always had really good CDSpeed scores. The BenQ 1640 doesn't burn them as well as the NEC did (even at 8x), but still much better than other cheap media. I can also burn them at 12x on the 1640 and still get (what I consider anyway) good scores.

Never tried the NEXXTECH -R media before, though.
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Mon Sep 05, 2005 4:25 pm

thegdog wrote:
dolphinius_rex wrote:No, they are NEXXTECH brand, and *NOT* Verbatim brand. There is a VERY big difference between having a Mitsubishi MID code and having Verbatim level quality.

I had bought some NEXXTECH 8x DVD+R media a while back when they were on sale for $7. It was a CMC MID code. I planned to use the media for discs that I gave to other people. (Why give family the TY media? Heh.)

My NEC drive used to burn those things amazingly well. I always had really good CDSpeed scores. The BenQ 1640 doesn't burn them as well as the NEC did (even at 8x), but still much better than other cheap media. I can also burn them at 12x on the 1640 and still get (what I consider anyway) good scores.

Never tried the NEXXTECH -R media before, though.


The DW1640 LOVES a properly made CMCMAGE01 disc :wink:
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Postby thegdog on Mon Sep 05, 2005 4:35 pm

dolphinius_rex wrote:The DW1640 LOVES a properly made CMCMAGE01 disc :wink:

As do I! :D

I think Circuit City had these on sale for $6 one week. For $6 or $7, the price is definitely right. Even my "low" CDSpeed score of 94 when written at 12x on the BenQ 1640 is still consistently higher than some of the Fuji-branded Prodisc crap I've gotten.

My 16x burn didn't turn out as good, but I'm happy to burn them at 12x. And will definitely pick some more up next time they go on sale at CC. Everyone I have given the discs too has had no problems playing the content on them.
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Postby TCAS on Mon Sep 05, 2005 7:00 pm

thegdog wrote:
dolphinius_rex wrote:No, they are NEXXTECH brand, and *NOT* Verbatim brand. There is a VERY big difference between having a Mitsubishi MID code and having Verbatim level quality.

I had bought some NEXXTECH 8x DVD+R media a while back when they were on sale for $7. It was a CMC MID code. I planned to use the media for discs that I gave to other people. (Why give family the TY media? Heh.)

My NEC drive used to burn those things amazingly well. I always had really good CDSpeed scores. The BenQ 1640 doesn't burn them as well as the NEC did (even at 8x), but still much better than other cheap media. I can also burn them at 12x on the 1640 and still get (what I consider anyway) good scores.

I you look in to disc information chart the manufacturer of disc is Berbatim.

Never tried the NEXXTECH -R media before, though.
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Postby TCAS on Mon Sep 05, 2005 7:03 pm

dolphinius_rex wrote:
TCAS wrote:Circuit also has on sale (Sept 4-10) DVD+/-R(8X) nexXtech brand $6.98 for pack of 25. The -R one are Verbatim brand with MID MCC 03RG20. Look the following:


No, they are NEXXTECH brand, and *NOT* Verbatim brand. There is a VERY big difference between having a Mitsubishi MID code and having Verbatim level quality.


If you look in to name of the manufacturer of the disc in information dsic from Nero CD Speed it is Verbatim not anthing else.
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Postby Scour on Mon Sep 05, 2005 7:26 pm

TCAS wrote:If you look in to name of the manufacturer of the disc in information dsic from Nero CD Speed it is Verbatim not anthing else


Show me one disc that shows in Cdspeed, DVD-Identifier or DVD-Info manufactured by Verbatim ;)
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Postby TCAS on Mon Sep 05, 2005 7:38 pm

As I explain before look into my post #634 CD Speed disc information. Also the following is show this disc has been bunred by NEC3500.
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Postby Scour on Mon Sep 05, 2005 7:44 pm

TCAS wrote:As I explain before look into my post #634 CD Speed disc information. Also the following is show this disc has been bunred by NEC3500.


Hm, that´s a strange one. Maybe Cdspeed says that MCC-Codes means Vern´batim discs, what is simply wrong. Maybe Cdspeed says the same when you insert a Infosmart with MCC-Code

Verbatim only sells A-Grade-media from MCC. B-Grade sold as Infiti, Reprint-media etc.

So the pure MCC-Code don´t mean that it´s real MCC-stuff.
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Postby TCAS on Mon Sep 05, 2005 8:42 pm

One More Time, The Disc Manufacturer says "Verbatim" and MCC )3RG20 is clearly Verbatim disc MID.
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Postby Gen-An on Mon Sep 05, 2005 8:53 pm

CD-DVD Speed is not the be-all-end-all to this issue. It simply reports any media carrying the MCC media code as being manufactured by "Verbatim" which is wrong since Verbatim doesn't do any manufacturing. It should technically say "Mitsubishi Chemical Corporation" since that's the company that actually does the development and production of the dyes used on Verbatim-branded discs (Verbatim is owned by MCC to be sure, but it's just a brand name). Also keep in mind CD-Speed has NO WAY of telling a disc that was actually made by MCC from a disc made by some 3rd tier manufacturer that has "borrowed" the MCC media code.
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