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Nero CD-DVD Speed v3.00 Available For Download

Postby Ian on Fri May 21, 2004 10:21 am

Download:

http://www.cdspeed2000.com/files/NeroCDSpeed_300.zip

Supported drives for the Disc Quality test:

http://www.cdspeed2000.com/go.php3?link=cdspeed30.html

Changes

Added Disc Quality test (PI/PO/Jitter - C1/C2)
Added DVD Overburning test
New logo
Improved Disc Info function (includes booktype)
Write Transfer Rate/Create Data Disc: capacity can be defined
Capture function: option to ask for destination folder added
Support for external drives on systems without ASPI
Improved HTML save function
Small improvements and bug fixes
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Postby Ian on Fri May 21, 2004 10:22 am

I just want to say that Erik is the man. Good job on the disc quality tests.
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Postby code65536 on Fri May 21, 2004 10:26 am

Yay!!!!!!1one
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Postby LoneWolf on Fri May 21, 2004 11:36 am

Apparently not compatible with the two most popular drives out there, NEC and Pioneer, either. Seeing as they have the same controller, is there some sort of issue with their setup that prevents them from being compatible? :(
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Postby code65536 on Fri May 21, 2004 11:40 am

Programs like KProbe, CDSpeed, and DIP really don't do very much. The firmware/chipset is what reads the disc, gathers the errors, and reports them back. All that these programs do is act as the messenger and draws pretty graphs of the data being sent to them. In other words, if the firmware/chipset of the drive doesn't support reporting back such data, then there's nothing that KP, CDS, or DIP can do.
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Postby Ian on Fri May 21, 2004 12:08 pm

I know that Erik is trying to get more companies to cooperate with him. Hopefully he can get Plextor and Pioneer to see the light as well.
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Postby Vanderlow on Fri May 21, 2004 1:07 pm

Will adding jitter supply a more meaningful quality test?
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Postby hoxlund on Fri May 21, 2004 1:09 pm

Ian wrote:I know that Erik is trying to get more companies to cooperate with him. Hopefully he can get Plextor and Pioneer to see the light as well.


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Postby dolphinius_rex on Fri May 21, 2004 1:10 pm

Plextor is VERY unlikely! They seem rather set on only having their own software do the testing.

Still it remains to be seen which drives will be any good at reading disc quality with any accuracy.
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Postby MediumRare on Fri May 21, 2004 1:37 pm

I've been watching for this news! The tool gets better all the time. Two observations:
  • it allows restricted reading speed (e.g. 4x CAV or 6x CAV) with my LiteOn LTD-163 DVD drive (which KProbe2 does not)
  • a quality check on an audio CD in my LTR 48246S didn't work. The error counters climbed astronomically while the progress count remained at 0%. This is shown in the screen shot:

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Postby dolphinius_rex on Fri May 21, 2004 3:01 pm

MediumRare: I noticed the issue with a lot of LiteOn CD Burners, that they could no longer scan media... Erik is aware of the issue, and will hopefully fix it in future renditions.
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Postby dhc014 on Fri May 21, 2004 3:04 pm

MediumRare wrote:
  • it allows restricted reading speed (e.g. 4x CAV or 6x CAV) with my LiteOn LTD-163 DVD drive (which KProbe2 does not)

But it can't actually restrict the speed for these drives so there's no point, right?

I found it interesting that there is no mention of Liteon combo drive support, and that he lists the old Sony DDU1611 (OEM LTD-122) as supported while the LTD-122 is not listed. Maybe he meant the DDU1612 which is a LTD-166S.

I'm curious about how in the hell he pulled off "Support for external drives on systems without ASPI" =D>
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Postby MediumRare on Fri May 21, 2004 5:40 pm

dolphinius_rex wrote:MediumRare: I noticed the issue with a lot of LiteOn CD Burners, that they could no longer scan media... Erik is aware of the issue, and will hopefully fix it in future renditions.

I sent a mail to Erik too (via the generic adress at cdspeed2000). Thanks for confirming that it's not just my drive.
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MediumRare wrote:
  • it allows restricted reading speed (e.g. 4x CAV or 6x CAV) with my LiteOn LTD-163 DVD drive (which KProbe2 does not)

But it can't actually restrict the speed for these drives so there's no point, right?

Well with the 2 scans I tried (4x, and 6x) the speed shown actually started at 2x and 3x. I didn't time how long it took to scan- will do that tomorrow- but the curve shown on the quality scan was significantly lower than at max speed and the PI count was also significantly lower. So my impression is that it actually does restrict the speed, albeit at CAV, not CLV.

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Postby dolphinius_rex on Fri May 21, 2004 5:47 pm

MediumRare wrote:
dolphinius_rex wrote:MediumRare: I noticed the issue with a lot of LiteOn CD Burners, that they could no longer scan media... Erik is aware of the issue, and will hopefully fix it in future renditions.

I sent a mail to Erik too (via the generic adress at cdspeed2000). Thanks for confirming that it's not just my drive.
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And thank *YOU* for confirming it wasn't just my systems.... it's really embaressing when something particular to your computer makes you report bugs that don't really exist.... then you just feel like a goomba! :oops:
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Postby MediumRare on Sat May 22, 2004 10:46 am

dhc014 wrote:But it can't actually restrict the speed for these drives so there's no point, right?

The speed control for DVD-ROMs is very real: This scan is at 1x:

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The following table (adapted form CDSpeed's summary) summarizes my scans of this DVD+R (Emtec 4x) with 3.88 GiB. I don't know which burner or speed was used for recording (have to ask).
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General Information
Drive:         LITEON  DVD-ROM LTD163 
Firmware:      GH4W
Disc:          DVD+R (RICOHJPN R01)
Selected speed:      1 X       2 X       4 X       8 X       Maximum 
          start       1x        1.94x     2.02x     3.58x      6.80x   
          end         1x        1.97x     4.54x     8.22x     15.57x   
PI errors                                                             
Maximum:             78        54        47       241        576     
Average:              6.19      8.87      7.08     22.14     170.12   
Total:               60978    115714     88880    249583    2044447   
PI failures                                                           
Maximum:             10        11        11        10        42       
Average:              1.12      1.17      1.16      1.14      4.59   
Total:               21224     95431     74796     69972    109728   
PO failures:           n/a       n/a       n/a       n/a       n/a     
Jitter:                n/a       n/a       n/a       n/a       n/a     
Scanning statistics                                                   
Number of samples:   117966    111393    108683    110137    102996   
Average scanning
         interval:    1.08 ECC  1.14 ECC  1.17 ECC  1.15 ECC  1.23 ECC
Glitches removed:     4        22         2         4        93       

One funny thing is that the drive revs up to full speed after completing the test and stays there until the disc is ejected. :o

I have some problems with totals and averages, though. For example, look at these PIF values:
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Speed           1x      2x
PIF average     1.12    1.17
    total       21224   95431

The averages are about the same, but the totals differ by more than 4x ! Other ratios aren't constant either. I'd also like to know what the units are for these rates (counts per MB or second or ECC sector or sample).

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Postby Alejandra on Sat May 22, 2004 11:58 am

MediumRare wrote:[*]a quality check on an audio CD in my LTR 48246S didn't work. The error counters climbed astronomically while the progress count remained at 0%.


Hey I have the same problem.

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same drive same disc but previous version of cdspeed:
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Sat May 22, 2004 1:06 pm

Hey MediumRare, how did you output that summery?
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Postby MediumRare on Sat May 22, 2004 1:59 pm

dolphinius_rex wrote:Hey MediumRare, how did you output that summery?

You may have to activate an option under "File / Options / Disc Quality". In my case, it just popped up after the first scan I did last night- something like this (only 600 MiB on this one):

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The corresponding check box ("Show statistics") is always cleared in my case, but they show up anyway. :D

I added the start and end speeds manually for the CAV cases.

Incidentally, the screen shots for the other scanning speeds are available too- I didn't want to clutter the post. They're all on my data dump at 1x, 2x, 4x, 8x and max.

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Postby dolphinius_rex on Sun May 23, 2004 2:26 am

that's pretty cool! thanks! :D
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Postby beach-hobo on Fri May 28, 2004 8:48 am

Have a BenQ DW822A (B3BC) installed in an External USB 2.0 Case (InSystems ChipSet). I can't run V3 for the quality test. I receive the following message after spin-up "ERROR INITIALIZING TEST".

Anyone have an IDEA what that problem is ???

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Update to version 3.10 available

Postby MediumRare on Mon Jun 28, 2004 7:18 am

There's a new version 3.10 of CD-DVD-Speed available: http://www.cdspeed2000.com/files/NeroCDSpeed_310.zip (saw this at CDFreaks). Change log:
  • Improved Disc Quality test
    - Added support for older CD recorders and Combo drives (C1/C2 test)
    - Added C2 error test for drives who can't report C1 errors
    - Graph options are available by right-clicking on the graphs
  • Small improvements and bug fixes

This fixes the problems with LiteOn CD-RW drives reported earlier (the first scan I tried showed the old problem, but after aborting it, things were fine). I really appreciate that it's now possible to fix or adjust the scaling after a scan.

Thanks Erik, for improving this tool. :D :D

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Postby Kennyshin on Mon Jun 28, 2004 3:44 pm

Thanks, too. :D
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