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New Firmware for 411s and 811s - Released: Dec 25, 2003

Postby bichi on Fri Dec 26, 2003 1:14 am

New Firmware for 411s and 811s - Released: Dec 25, 2003

811S:
Ver HS0J - DR8HS0J.zip - 716 KB - 2003/12/25 - Match more media

411S:
Ver FS0G - DR8HS0G.zip - 716 KB - 2003/12/25 - Match more media

Looks like its much larger than previous releases. Up about 200k.

http://www.liteonit.com.tw/ODD/english/ ... nglish.htm

Don't forget to "FlashFix" if you plan on reverting back to previous firmware:
FLASHFIX - New Version 1.0.0.2 - http://digi.rpc1.org/flashfix.htm

Hmmmm...
Just tried "FlashFix" v1.0.0.1 on FS0G and got "file not within specified size" error.
Notified the author and hopefully there will be a fix.

UPDATE: Author of FlashFix sent a test version, v1002, tested and works fine.
Stay tuned to his site. - Dec 26, 03

UPDATE: New FlashFix released, v1.0.0.2 - Dec 28, 03


Merry Christmas!
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Fri Dec 26, 2003 1:52 am

Any idea what changes have been made? I wonder if the LDW-411s will be able to burn DVD-R better now? :D
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Postby bichi on Fri Dec 26, 2003 2:17 am

dolphinius_rex,

Dunno about exact differences. Hoping YOU would install and inform us! - hehee!

I'm probably going to try updating 401s to 411s and see if the new FS0G
improves +R performance....
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Postby integspec on Fri Dec 26, 2003 2:19 am

Wow, Liteon even works on Xmas day, Talk about customer service! :)
Will check out the 411 tonight when I get back home.

@dolphinius_rex, My 411 never had any problems with -R. Have you tried TY -R 4X? In fact I only use this media - guaranteed to succeed. Btw the explanation offered on the site was, usual "Match more media".
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Postby CDRecorder on Fri Dec 26, 2003 5:54 am

Here's a Fuji 2.4x DVD+R burned at 2.4x with the FS0G firmware on my 411S:

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Postby dolphinius_rex on Fri Dec 26, 2003 7:53 am

Thanks CD Recorder... but unfortunatly since you are using version 1.1.26 of K-Probe, you cannot set it to Sum 8.

Nope, I have yet to try a Taiyo Yuden DVD-R, since they are twice the price of Ritek DVD-Rs. Perhaps I will try one, but even if they work REALLY well, I can't justify the added cost over DVD+Rs that work just as well on my drive. However, I just found out that my friend purchased an LG 4040B, so I can at least by proxy, burn my DVD-Rs in a fairly good way.
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Postby CDRecorder on Fri Dec 26, 2003 1:54 pm

Is Sum 8 a desirable setting? If so, what version of KProbe should I be using? I still don't fully understand how KProbe checks DVDs.
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Fri Dec 26, 2003 3:10 pm

CDRecorder wrote:Is Sum 8 a desirable setting? If so, what version of KProbe should I be using? I still don't fully understand how KProbe checks DVDs.


Version 1.1.23 is the only version that allows you to use it I believe... and appears to be the version of choice.

To be honest, I don't understand it too much either. It's WAY more complicated then CD testing! But I'm starting to feel a little more confident that between my LiteON LDW-411s, Nero CD/DVD Speed, my soon to be purchased PS2, and possibly a regular DVD player, I'll be able to put together some sort of system that can accuratly detail how well recordable DVDs perform :D

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Postby kirpen on Fri Dec 26, 2003 4:13 pm

There seems to be a major bug in the new firmware that kills DVD+rws. http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php ... adid=82714
Can you flash back to the old firmware with just the old exe file?
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Postby RJW on Fri Dec 26, 2003 4:14 pm

Forget the playstation 2 since it will not be fair.
Old version are picky and only support -r. So it's not fair to test performance for DVD+R.
V9 are now longer picky and support both media official !
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Postby Infinity on Fri Dec 26, 2003 4:44 pm

dolphinius_rex, am I correct to assume that your 411 cannot burn Ritek DVD-R media?

I was planning on purchasing the external version of the 411, but I need it to be able to burn Ritek DVD-R media (as I already have a full 50 pack).
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Postby bichi on Fri Dec 26, 2003 8:00 pm

Hmmmmm... Interesting scan (very crappy, compared to previous releases)
Only one recording so far and will have to test more.
Playback OK on SONY DDU-1611 DVD-ROM (Liteon LTD-163 OEM) and SONY DVP-NS300 player.

I'm beginning to think (shaking head) KProbe may be misleading us...

KProbe v1.1.26 - ECC 8 - Speed: 4
RecordNow Max v4.5 (PX Engine = 507)
Memorex 4x +RW (RICOHJPNW11)
Recorded: FS0G Read: FS0G

PI MAX: 827 - Average 378.17
PO MAX: 178 - Average 27.11

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Postby Dartman on Fri Dec 26, 2003 8:34 pm

The few burns I have done have ranged from OK to fair to very bad depending on speed and the reader I use. The 166 seems to almost always report double the errors the 811 does with th exact same disk.
If the burn can read in my computer it will work with my DVD players so it can't be too bad I spose.
I hope the 851 doesn't end up getting the minus 8x upgrade and not the 811 most of us ended up with.
I think they still have a few tweaks to make but usually they have gotten their other products working well.
I'm almost tempted to take it back and trade for the 851 but I just don't know if it's going to be better or just a different number :-?
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Postby TCAS on Sat Dec 27, 2003 1:33 am

The RITEKG04's (DVD-R)works fine for me in my Lite-On 411S with no trouble so far, I am useing RITEK G04 with orange cap identified as A3458853 DVD-R 4X. These disks start burning at speed of 3.9X to 4X. Never had any problem from start to the end of burning process.
btw: I have not upgraded the firmware to latest Lite-On announced firmware.
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Sat Dec 27, 2003 2:19 am

I am not trying to say that the LiteON LDW-411s cannot burn Ritek DVD-Rs, but I *AM* trying to say that I have had mixed results. Ritek DVD+Rs have performed much better in my drive.

RJW: Too late, I bought it already! :roll: and yes, it is the newer version that officially supports both formats... we shall see though! It'll take me a while to be able to afford a mod chip though... the place I have it done wants to charge $150 CDN to do it... and after shelling out ~$300 already for the unit, 1 game, and a memory card... I just can't justify it yet. I can still test DVD-R and DVD+R movie backups though.

bichi: K-Probe is not so much misleading, as just not reporting all the neccessary information required to make a good judgement of the media's quality. Also, how did you set K-Probe 1.1.26 to SUM 8?
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Postby bichi on Sat Dec 27, 2003 6:43 am

You confused me for a bit, but after fiddling with KProbe 1.1.26, I can see why some may have issues
setting to SUM EEC = 8.

I discovered:

- if KProbe is loaded and there is no DVD present, with "Write-Strategy" selected, ECC SUM option
does not show up.

- inserting a DVD AFTER you have "Write-Strategy" selected, still no ECC SUM option.

- if you "start," then "stop," then ECC SUM option appears.

Secondly,

- if you have a DVD loaded and ready, then load KProbe, select "Write-Strategy," the
ECC SUM option is present.

Strange, I never noticed this behavior before. I set ECC=8 at install time and never
had reason to change it......
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Postby RJW on Sat Dec 27, 2003 9:02 am

dolphinius_rex wrote:I am not trying to say that the LiteON LDW-411s cannot burn Ritek DVD-Rs, but I *AM* trying to say that I have had mixed results. Ritek DVD+Rs have performed much better in my drive.

RJW: Too late, I bought it already! :roll: and yes, it is the newer version that officially supports both formats... we shall see though! It'll take me a while to be able to afford a mod chip though... the place I have it done wants to charge $150 CDN to do it... and after shelling out ~$300 already for the unit, 1 game, and a memory card... I just can't justify it yet. I can still test DVD-R and DVD+R movie backups though.

Yeah yeah buying a PS2 V9 for testing purposes of DVD media were have I heard this befor ?

About Ritek media. It ain't fair to judge the drive on Ritek DVD's burning quality since Ritek has to big variances in there production quality.
I personally bought one 10 pack of g04 and while the media is great when it comes to playback I won't buy again.
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Sat Dec 27, 2003 3:06 pm

hey, I'm not saying that I'm not enjoying the other features of the Playstation 2 either... :D
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Postby bichi on Sat Dec 27, 2003 8:25 pm

Appears FS0G changed write strategy for Memorex 2x +R (RICOHJPN R00)
Stays at 2x with FS0G, where, FS0F burned this 2x medai at 4x.

KProbe v1.1.26 scan - ECC=8:
MEMOREX 2x +R (RICOHJPN R00)
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Write and Read: Liteon 411S - FS0G

PI MAX: 47 - Average: 18.75
PO MAX: 8 - Average: 0.090

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Postby aviationwiz on Sun Dec 28, 2003 1:42 am

I don't visit CDRInfo often, but I just visited a second ago and found this review of the 811. Is it new?
http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/Article ... r&Series=0
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Sun Dec 28, 2003 3:40 am

It was posted on December 13th, not really that new.
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Postby bichi on Sun Dec 28, 2003 7:17 pm

Don't forget to "FlashFix" if you plan on reverting back to previous firmware:
FLASHFIX - New Version 1.0.0.2 - http://digi.rpc1.org/flashfix.htm

UPDATE: New FlashFix released, v1.0.0.2 - Dec 28, 03

Now works with new release firmware for 411S (FS0G) and 811S (HS0J)
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Postby Rockymaru on Mon Dec 29, 2003 2:45 am

kirpen wrote:There seems to be a major bug in the new firmware that kills DVD+rws. http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php ... adid=82714
Can you flash back to the old firmware with just the old exe file?


Hey, no one else seemed to have noticed this post. From reading this thread, it does appear the new firmware is even crappier than what you are given to begin with.
Can anyone else confirm if it's as bad w/ DVD+R's (and not RWs)?
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Postby Dartman on Mon Dec 29, 2003 2:53 am

It must have been worse then any of us thuoght, it's been pulled from their site. Good thing they won't let you flash back :roll: Oh well I didn't like it and used flashfix to go back to HSOE, thank god for people wanting to give us more options. Probably be a revised version out shortly that will combine the good parts of the older one with the new media support of the newer one with better quality for all hopefully.
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Mon Dec 29, 2003 3:29 am

Hrm, that's pretty sad!

You know, I wasn't going to say anything, but I just had a really bad feeling about that firmware from the moment it was announced! That is why I haven't upgraded to it, or even downloaded it! Looks like I called it right eh? :D
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