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Postby j0ly on Fri Feb 07, 2003 3:38 am

I have 2 burners, a yamaha 48x and a liton 52x.... when doing multiple burner burns in nero it limits my burn speed to 16x.... it says in the log of the burn

YAMAHA CRW-F1E
Can only wrtie at 16x instead of 44x to current disc.


Ive made sure that the disks are 44x compatible, and also tryed turning the smartburn off on both drives.... anybody have any suggestions... cause it sucks waiting for these disks to come off at 16x when there is way more potental for fasts burns... thanks
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Postby dodecahedron on Fri Feb 07, 2003 8:50 am

does the Yamaha burn these discs at 44x when you try to burn on it alone?
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Postby j0ly on Fri Feb 07, 2003 11:59 pm

Yea it totally does......
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Postby dodecahedron on Sat Feb 08, 2003 10:05 am

ok.
i'll also assume the Lite-On burns these CDs at 52x.

what's the IDE setup?

can you post a Nero log?
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Postby j0ly on Sat Feb 08, 2003 9:18 pm

sure thing....

both burners are master on there own seperate chanels... ide 0 and ide 1
and a PIONEER DVD-ROM on ide1 id 1
hd's are off a 133 promise card...

The liteon does burn fine at 52x, and the Yamaha fine at 48x.....

here is a log...

Windows XP 5.1
IA32
WinAspi: -
ahead WinASPI: File 'C:\Program Files\Ahead\Nero\Wnaspi32.dll': Ver=2.0.1.50, size=131072 bytes, created 6/25/2002 5:34:54 PM
Nero Version: 5.5.10.7
Recorder: <LITE-ON LTR-52246S> Version: 6S0C - HA 0 TA 0 - 5.5.10.7
Adapter driver: <atapi> HA 0
Drive buffer : 2048kB
Bus Type : default (0) -> ATAPI, detected: ATAPI
Recorder: <YAMAHA CRW-F1E> Version: 1.0b - HA 1 TA 0 - 5.5.10.7
Adapter driver: <atapi> HA 1
Drive buffer : 8192kB
Bus Type : default (0) -> ATAPI, detected: ATAPI
CD-ROM: <YAMAHA CRW-F1E> Version: 1.0b - HA 1 TA 0 - 5.5.10.7
Adapter driver: <atapi> HA 1
Bus Type : default (0) -> ATAPI, detected: ATAPI

=== Scsi-Device-Map ===
CdRomPeripheral : LITE-ON LTR-52246S atapi Port 0 ID 0 DMA: On
CdRomPeripheral : YAMAHA CRW-F1E atapi Port 1 ID 0 DMA: On
CdRomPeripheral : PIONEER DVD-ROM DVD-105 atapi Port 1 ID 1 DMA: On
DiskPeripheral : MAXTOR 6L080J4 A93. ultra Port 2 ID 0 DMA: ?
DiskPeripheral : Maxuos 94191U9 ! ! ! FA53 ultra Port 2 ID 1 DMA: ?
DiskPeripheral : QUANTUM FIREBALLP LM A35. ultra Port 2 ID 2 DMA: ?
DiskPeripheral : Maxtor 53073U6 DA62 ultra Port 2 ID 3 DMA: ?
=======================

AutoRun : 1
Excluded drive IDs:
CmdQueuing : 1
CmdNotification: 2
WriteBufferSize: 83886080 (0) Byte
ShowDrvBufStat : 0
EraseSpeed : 0
BUFE : 0
Physical memory : 1535MB (1572336kB)
Free physical memory: 1059MB (1085420kB)
Memory in use : 30 %
Uncached PFiles: 0x0
Use Static Write Speed Table: 0
Use Inquiry : 1
Global Bus Type: default (0)
Check supported media : Enabled (1)
Wizard: Off

8.2.2003
CueSheet
6:12:20 PM #1 Phase 90 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1653
Buffer Underrun Protection activated

6:12:20 PM #2 Phase 90 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1653
Buffer Underrun Protection activated

6:12:20 PM #3 Text 0 File Reader.cpp, Line 115
Reader running

6:12:20 PM #4 Text 0 File Writer.cpp, Line 123
Writer Rec.0 - LITE-ON LTR-52246S running

6:12:20 PM #5 Text 0 File Writer.cpp, Line 123
Writer Rec.1 - YAMAHA CRW-F1E running

6:12:20 PM #6 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3811
Turn on Disc-At-Once, using CD-R/RW media

6:12:20 PM #7 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3811
Turn on Disc-At-Once, using CD-R/RW media

6:12:20 PM #8 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 670
Setup items (original item values)
0: TRM_DATA_RAW_MODE2 (Cue Sheet Track)
2 indices, index0 (150) provided
original CD pos #0 + 300 (300) = #300/0:4.0
relocatable, CD pos for caching/writing not required/not required, no patch infos
1: TRM_DATA_RAW_MODE2 (Cue Sheet Track)
2 indices, index0 (150) provided
original CD pos #0 + 2356 (2356) = #2356/0:31.31
relocatable, CD pos for caching/writing not required/not required, no patch infos
2: TRM_DATA_RAW_MODE2 (Cue Sheet Track)
2 indices, index0 (150) provided
original CD pos #0 + 253511 (253511) = #253511/56:20.11
relocatable, CD pos for caching/writing not required/not required, no patch infos
--------------------------------------------------------------

6:12:20 PM #9 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 203
Last possible write address on media: 359848 (79:59.73)
Last address to be written: 256466 (57:01.41)

6:12:20 PM #10 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 208
Write in overburning mode: FALSE

6:12:20 PM #11 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 1452
Recorder: LITE-ON LTR-52246S;
CDR code: 00 97 27 28; OSJ entry from: Princo Corporation
ATIP Data:
Special Info [hex] 1: F0 00 80, 2: 61 1B 1C (LI 97:27.28), 3: 4F 3B 4A (LO 79:59.74)
Additional Info [hex] 1: 00 00 80 (invalid), 2: 00 80 00 (invalid), 3: 00 80 80 (invalid)

6:12:20 PM #12 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 203
Last possible write address on media: 359848 (79:59.73)
Last address to be written: 256466 (57:01.41)

6:12:20 PM #13 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 208
Write in overburning mode: FALSE

6:12:20 PM #14 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 1452
Recorder: YAMAHA CRW-F1E;
CDR code: 00 97 27 28; OSJ entry from: Princo Corporation
ATIP Data:
Special Info [hex] 1: F0 00 80, 2: 61 1B 1C (LI 97:27.28), 3: 4F 3B 4A (LO 79:59.74)
Additional Info [hex] 1: 00 00 00 (invalid), 2: 00 00 00 (invalid), 3: 00 00 00 (invalid)

6:12:20 PM #15 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 4439
Can only write at 16x instead of 44x to current disc

6:12:20 PM #16 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 822
Prepare recorder Rec.0 - LITE-ON LTR-52246S for write in cue-sheet-DAO
DAO infos:
==========
MCN:
TOCTYPE: 0x20 Session Closed, CD fixated
Tracks 1 to 3:
TRM_DATA_RAW_MODE2, 2352/0x0, ISRC "", FilePos 0 352800 1058400
TRM_DATA_RAW_MODE2, 2352/0x0, ISRC "", FilePos 1058400 1411200 6952512
TRM_DATA_RAW_MODE2, 2352/0x0, ISRC "", FilePos 6952512 7305312 603563184

6:12:20 PM #17 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 822
Prepare recorder Rec.1 - YAMAHA CRW-F1E for write in cue-sheet-DAO
DAO infos:
==========
MCN:
TOCTYPE: 0x20 Session Closed, CD fixated
Tracks 1 to 3:
TRM_DATA_RAW_MODE2, 2352/0x0, ISRC "", FilePos 0 352800 1058400
TRM_DATA_RAW_MODE2, 2352/0x0, ISRC "", FilePos 1058400 1411200 6952512
TRM_DATA_RAW_MODE2, 2352/0x0, ISRC "", FilePos 6952512 7305312 603563184

6:12:20 PM #18 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 670
Setup items (after recorder preparation)
0: TRM_DATA_RAW_MODE2 (Cue Sheet Track)
2 indices, index0 (150) provided
original CD pos #0 + 300 (300) = #300/0:4.0
relocatable, CD pos for caching/writing not required/not required, no patch infos
-> TRM_DATA_RAW_MODE2, 2352, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 300 blocks [Rec.0 - LITE-ON LTR-52246S ]
-> TRM_DATA_RAW_MODE2, 2352, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 300 blocks [Rec.1 - YAMAHA CRW-F1E ]
1: TRM_DATA_RAW_MODE2 (Cue Sheet Track)
2 indices, index0 (150) provided
original CD pos #0 + 2356 (2356) = #2356/0:31.31
relocatable, CD pos for caching/writing not required/not required, no patch infos
-> TRM_DATA_RAW_MODE2, 2352, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 2356 blocks [Rec.0 - LITE-ON LTR-52246S ]
-> TRM_DATA_RAW_MODE2, 2352, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 2356 blocks [Rec.1 - YAMAHA CRW-F1E ]
2: TRM_DATA_RAW_MODE2 (Cue Sheet Track)
2 indices, index0 (150) provided
original CD pos #0 + 253511 (253511) = #253511/56:20.11
relocatable, CD pos for caching/writing not required/not required, no patch infos
-> TRM_DATA_RAW_MODE2, 2352, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 253511 blocks [Rec.0 - LITE-ON LTR-52246S ]
-> TRM_DATA_RAW_MODE2, 2352, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 253511 blocks [Rec.1 - YAMAHA CRW-F1E ]
--------------------------------------------------------------

6:12:20 PM #19 Phase 36 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1653
Burn process started at 16x (2,400 KB/s)

6:12:20 PM #20 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 1963
Verifying CD position of item 0 (relocatable, no CD pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0

6:12:20 PM #21 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 1963
Verifying CD position of item 1 (relocatable, no CD pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #450

6:12:20 PM #22 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 1963
Verifying CD position of item 2 (relocatable, no CD pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #2956

6:12:20 PM #23 Text 0 File Mmc.cpp, Line 12866
StartDAO : CD-Text - Off

6:12:20 PM #24 Text 0 File Mmc.cpp, Line 17311
Set BUFE: supported -> ON , SMART-BURN : ON

6:12:20 PM #25 Text 0 File Mmc.cpp, Line 13124
CueData, Len=64
41 00 00 34 00 00 00 00
41 01 00 21 00 00 00 00
41 01 01 21 00 00 02 00
41 02 00 21 00 00 06 00
41 02 01 21 00 00 08 00
41 03 00 21 00 00 27 1f
41 03 01 21 00 00 29 1f
41 aa 01 34 00 39 01 2a

6:12:20 PM #26 Text 0 File Mmc.cpp, Line 12866
StartDAO : CD-Text - Off

6:12:20 PM #27 Text 0 File Mmc.cpp, Line 17311
Set BUFE: supported -> ON , Optimum Writespeed Control : ON

6:12:20 PM #28 Text 0 File Mmc.cpp, Line 13124
CueData, Len=64
41 00 00 34 00 00 00 00
41 01 00 21 00 00 00 00
41 01 01 21 00 00 02 00
41 02 00 21 00 00 06 00
41 02 01 21 00 00 08 00
41 03 00 21 00 00 27 1f
41 03 01 21 00 00 29 1f
41 aa 01 34 00 39 01 2a

6:12:41 PM #29 Text 0 File Writer.cpp, Line 314
18:12:41.388 - Rec.1 - YAMAHA CRW-F1E : Queue again later (Intervall : 27msec)

6:16:15 PM #30 Text 0 File WriterStatus.cpp, Line 115
<Rec.0 - LITE-ON LTR-52246S > start writing Lead-Out at LBA 256467 (3E9D3h), lenght 0 blocks

6:16:21 PM #31 Text 0 File WriterStatus.cpp, Line 115
<Rec.1 - YAMAHA CRW-F1E > start writing Lead-Out at LBA 256467 (3E9D3h), lenght 0 blocks

6:16:30 PM #32 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 219
all writers idle, stopping conversion

6:16:30 PM #33 Phase 37 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1653
Burn process completed successfully at 16x (2,400 KB/s)

6:16:30 PM #34 Text 0 File Scsicmd.cpp, Line 406
SCSI not using temporary buffers
20 out of 20 temporary buffers allocated


Existing drivers:
File 'Drivers\CDRALW2K.SYS': Ver=5.3.0.109, size=23420 bytes, created 11/25/2002 11:30:58 AM
File 'Drivers\atapi.sys': Ver=5.1.2600.1106 (xpsp1.020828-1920), size=86912 bytes, created 8/28/2002 5:27:50 PM (Adapter driver for rec)

Registry Keys:
HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\WinLogon\AllocateCDROMs : 0 (Security Option)


Thanks again
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Postby dodecahedron on Sun Feb 09, 2003 12:25 pm

sorry, i'm stumped!

did you try other media?
i gather you're burning an image file (Cue/Bin ?)
did you try a "regular" ISO data CD?
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Postby cfitz on Sun Feb 09, 2003 3:12 pm

I know you said that you can burn the Princo at 44x (48x = typo) on the Yamaha when burning by itself and that you tried turning off the optimum write-speed control, but it is suspicious that the limitation to 16x occurs immediately after the disc is identified and, presumably, the optimum write-speed decision is made. So, I would agree with dodecahedron that you at least ought to try a couple other brands of media. As always, Fuji/TY media is a good candidate for high-quality media with which to test.

However, I wonder if what is really going on here is that when burning to multiple burners, Nero needs to set the burn speed to a specific value, rather than letting each drive choose its own value. This would make sense, as Nero would probably want to send the same data to both drives at the same time and at a known rate.

Unfortunately, in F1 drives with older firmware, the maximum burn speed that can be manually set is 16x. :( To burn faster you most choose "max speed" which causes Yamaha's OWSC to set the speed independently of the burning software. As postulated above, this may be unacceptable to Nero when doing a burn to multiple drives simultaneously.

Is there any way around this? You might try flashing your Yamaha to the latest firmware, version 1.0f, which allows you to manually specify burn speeds of 24x and 32x (when you disable OWSC):

http://www.yamaha.co.jp/english/product ... fw-10.html

After you have installed the new firmware, turn off OWSC on the Yamaha and manually set both its burn speed and the LiteOn's burn speed to 32x before starting the burn. This may allow you to burn to both drives in parallel at 32x which, while probably not the performance you were hoping for, is still a little bit faster than burning discs serially at 52x. There is a chance that even this won't work though, if Nero doesn't distinguish between the firmware versions when setting up a burn to multiple drives. It probably does, but on the other hand Nero might be playing it conservatively and, for maximum compatibility with all firmware versions, limiting all Yamaha F1’s used in multiple-drive burns to the 16x manual speed common denominator.

By the way, your setup is good for doing burns to multiple drives simultaneously. You have DMA enabled on everything, and each drive is on its own IDE channel. Having each drive on a separate IDE channel is the recommended configuration when both are being used simultaneously.

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Postby j0ly on Sun Feb 09, 2003 9:20 pm

Right on the money guys.....

Upgraded the firmware, and disabled the media auto detect and that did it!!!


Now burning at 44x on both drives... Thanks a bunch guys.... If you lived near me id bring a case of beer over!!!


:D :D :D :D
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Postby cfitz on Sun Feb 09, 2003 9:44 pm

Good deal! Glad to hear you are burning at speed now. I think you will have a little trouble with the beer though, since dodecahedron lives in Israel and I live in the United States... but thanks anyway. :)

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Postby j0ly on Sun Feb 09, 2003 9:56 pm

will ya take an IOU??? eheheh.... thanks again Guys..!
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Postby dodecahedron on Mon Feb 10, 2003 1:51 am

thanks, cfitz, but it is you who deserves the credit :wink: you got it!

yeah, i missed the firmware version in the log... :x :o
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Postby cfitz on Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:11 am

Actually, dodecahedron, you aren't giving yourself enough credit here. To be honest, I wasn't going to look at this problem, since I have no personal experience burning to multiple drives simultaneously. But after you decided to give it the old college try and asked j0ly to post the Nero log, I thought I would at least take a look. If you hadn't engaged j0ly, I never would have gotten involved. And even neglecting your contribution in that area, you asked some good questions and made some reasonable suggestions. So don't turn down j0ly's generous offer of beer so quickly! :wink:

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Postby dodecahedron on Mon Feb 10, 2003 8:56 am

OK :D i will take some credit :wink: ...
cfitz wrote:To be honest, I wasn't going to look at this problem, since I have no personal experience burning to multiple drives simultaneously

LOL i don't even have two burners! :o
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