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Philips 8x DVD+RDL (CMCMAGD04)

Postby dolphinius_rex on Sat Sep 02, 2006 1:26 am

I picked up a 25pc spindle of these for $30 CAD today at Futureshop today, and so far they've failed during the burn process (before the layer break) on my BenQ DW1640 and BenQ DW1650, both of which officially have 8x support for this media (but burned it at 4x only!). I've almost completed a burn on one of the discs at 2.4x in my Pioneer DVR-111D running firmware 1.29 though.

So far, I'm VERY disappointed...

The Burn completed on my Pioneer DVR-111D at 2.4x. I'll post a scan later. It turns out my LiteON SHW-1635S has proper 8x support for CMCMAGD01, so now I'm trying to burn it on that. So far the disc is already burning at 6x, and may still make the jump to 8x :)

More info to come when I have it!
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Sun Sep 03, 2006 2:23 am

Alright!

I tried burning the media at 4x in the LiteON and it burned poorly still... so I tried enabling hypertuning and the disc that burned was not even readable to the layer break!

So currently burning these at 2.4x in the Pioneer DVR-111D seems to be the best option! :o
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Sun Sep 03, 2006 5:43 pm

Here are some scan results of this media, from the drives that I could get to actually burn it (and some variations).

As you can see, not too impressive, but at least readable all the way through (when you don't enable hypertuning!)
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Philips8xDVD+RDL_LiteONSHW-1635S_BenQDW1640_Scan.png
Burned on the LiteON SHW-1635S at 8x (YS0Z)
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Burned on the LiteON SHW-1635S at 8x (With Hyper Tuning Enabled) (YS0Z)
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Burned on the LiteON SHW-1635S at 4x (YS0Z)
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Sun Sep 03, 2006 5:44 pm

Here's a burn done on the Pioneer DVR-111D at 2.4x (firmware 1.29).
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Postby [buck] on Sun Sep 03, 2006 7:24 pm

I actually think the results on the Pioneer @ 2x are pretty damn good. Those are the kind of results I expect to see from MKM. I have no idea why the BenQs are failing before the layer break, considering the Pioneer can put out good results @ 2x, and the LiteON can produce ok results @ 8x.

Perhaps I'd go a little harder on this media if it was actually priced like 8x DVD+RDL media, but it's not, it's priced less than most 2.4x media! :wink:

(I will admit though, that Philips shouldn't have released this product so early, considering how bad the support is)
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Postby Phoenix '97 on Sun Sep 03, 2006 8:07 pm

I've also had problems at the layer break with my 1640 with RITEKD01 discs. :( They burn okay in my NEC 3500 though.
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Sun Sep 03, 2006 11:07 pm

Burned at 4x on my Plextor PX-716SA firmware 1.10
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Mon Sep 04, 2006 12:18 am

Philips 8x DVD+RDL burned on my Panasonic Recorder DMRES25S
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Postby Scour on Mon Sep 04, 2006 3:29 pm

I think it´s good that I very rarely use DL-media in my Benq 1640 :o

Pioneer do a fine job imho, but the old Plex 716 showas agin that Plextor is not bad for DL-media

However, very cheap media. Here in Germany the cheapest DL-media costs 2 €/piece
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Wed Sep 06, 2006 2:46 am

I tried the new BCIB firmware on my BenQ, but to no avail :(

But at least ONE person has been able to get their BenQ DW1655 to burn the media, at 8x even!! :o
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/show ... stcount=39
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:08 am

I just tried a burn on my BenQ DW1620 for the heck of it, it failed before it even began! (session fixation error writing lead-in). I was using firmware B7W9 (the latest still I believe).

I've heard the Pioneer DVR-110 can burn these about as well as the Pioneer DVR-111D and at the same speed (2.4x).
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Postby Scour on Thu Sep 14, 2006 6:34 pm

Oh, I heard often that Benq-writers are not the best for DL, seems to be right.

I bought my Bestmedia because sometimes I amy need a DL-media, maybe I buy second writer
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Postby RJW on Sat Jun 30, 2007 3:28 pm

Begining to think you used the wrong benq burner.
After seeing some very good results from a benq 1640

For example.
http://forum.gleitz.info/showpost.php?p ... stcount=23

Maybe it's time to try with a 1640 if you haven't ??
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