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Philips SolidBurn Technology

Postby Ian on Thu Jul 07, 2005 8:18 am

Anyone else think this sounds a lot like Plextor's AutoStrategy?

http://www.opticalstorage.philips.com/a ... 14949.html

When a new disc is inserted into the drive, SolidBurn executes automatically a series of tests on the ‘unknown’ DVD media. Based on the DVD writer’s measurements capabilities such as jitter and PiSum-8, the SolidBurn algorithm delivers a multiple of unique parameter settings that control the drive during the normal writing process. Measurements at Philips Standards & Format Verification Laboratories showed a dramatic improvement in write quality of the new discs written with SolidBurn. These recorded discs had an average lowest jitter, best PiSum-8 results and the least uncorrectable errors compared to the same discs written with a standard writing strategy of the drive. Moreover, on average the discs were recorded with the SolidBurn drive at higher recording speed than drives without the SolidBurn feature.
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Postby RJW on Thu Jul 07, 2005 9:09 am

Yes but there seems to be some small differences.

Also DVDR1648K/00 looks like Benq 1640.
At least with the latest version of the specs.
1648K is one of the drive that will support solid burn.
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Thu Jul 07, 2005 11:55 am

Hrm... so burns should get progressively better on unknown media? That's always a good thing :D
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Postby RJW on Thu Jul 07, 2005 12:17 pm

Hmm I wonder if this because Philips is usseing media from smaller manufacturers which has been approved by Philips quality standards.
Philips currently uses a lot of Infomedia disc's.
Disc's which are quite bad supported by some manufacturers.
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Postby frank1 on Fri Jul 08, 2005 10:18 pm

RJW wrote:Also DVDR1648K/00 looks like Benq 1640.
At least with the latest version of the specs.
1648K is one of the drive that will support solid burn.

Do you know if the DVDR1648K drive that will support solid burn
through it's firmware and chipset
will still have the same chipset as the Benq 1640

I mean the Philips Nexperia PNX7860E

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Postby RJW on Sun Jul 10, 2005 11:11 am

I don't know if it support is through firmware, hardware or whatever.
We don't know untill someone gets the Philips drive and screws arround with it. :D
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Postby RJW on Tue Aug 02, 2005 5:26 am

Currently I got much more information about this philips technology.
By these articles I can now say SOLIDBURN is not the same as autostrategy.

These articles do show that Philips once again presented things quite poor.
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Tue Aug 02, 2005 10:41 am

I can now confirm that all BenQ DW1640 owners will be getting a free firmware upgrade to support this technology :D

RJW, is there anything else you can tell us about how it differs from Autostrategy?
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Postby RJW on Tue Aug 02, 2005 3:59 pm

Philips is really optimizing things with this drive.
A article about what philips does can be found in a Japanese journal of Physics.
However that one might be to technical.
Now I know cdfreaks is trying to make some article about that technique.
So I suggest to keep a eye now and then on there site.

Notice that I don't have full documentation on TY 's technique so I look at what PX-716 does as behaviour when turned on. Based on that one I say different techniques. Still I have to do some more research befor I can make more comments about it.
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Tue Aug 02, 2005 4:54 pm

RJW wrote:Philips is really optimizing things with this drive.
A article about what philips does can be found in a Japanese journal of Physics.
However that one might be to technical.
Now I know cdfreaks is trying to make some article about that technique.
So I suggest to keep a eye now and then on there site.

Notice that I don't have full documentation on TY 's technique so I look at what PX-716 does as behaviour when turned on. Based on that one I say different techniques. Still I have to do some more research befor I can make more comments about it.


From my own playing around with Solid Burn, I'm not sure how useful it's really going to be. Which isn't to say it's a bad thing, but the fact is that you need to find discs that are not supported by the drive's firmware to really take advantage of it.... and the drive has excellent firmware support already for most media (and I don't just test the main ones!!). Anyways, in the unlikely event of a spoofed MID code causing problems, the option to make a custom write strategy based on the disc itself is there, and that's probably where it will be most useful.

I have to say however, that I really like where BenQ is going with their drives and drive support. They've told me a little about some of what they plan to add to Qsuite in the near future, and it's pretty nifty. In the past I had said that BenQ was the new LiteON.... but right now it looks like BenQ is the new Plextor (actually with the PX-740 this is literally correct :lol: ).
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Postby RJW on Thu Aug 04, 2005 4:51 am

Well point is that it optimizes in the begining what if the disc has a huge variation all-over. It is still WOPC who has to solve that one and we have seen that. that one can fail.

Also most firmwares are still not optimal with small variations between media.
ANd then we have the fake MID's and we have a lot of new 16x disc's comming.
But I wonder how long these fake mid's will last.
We might however see more complete fake products that is if the companny survives.

SOLID BURN is not a perfect system it is a very nice extra. Also if you take in account that if they play it smart they can use there eperience with this drive and incoperate it to the next generation formats. Were much more can be won.

Hey and with Ritek and Prodisc we likely have more 16x media then Philips/Benq can add in a short time. :D

My guess this is also because Philips is usseing more and more infomedia.
Which is very poor supported. (QUality however is there it seems.)
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