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pif, pof, pie, poe

Postby strainsa on Mon Feb 07, 2005 3:58 pm

I have seen DVD media tests (some in the CDRLabs DVD writer tests) on different DVD medias with measurements on pif, pof, pie and poe. What are considered the good or acceptable range/values on these errors and failures?
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Postby RJW on Mon Feb 07, 2005 4:38 pm

PI-8 280
PIF -4
POF - 0
according to ECMA standards. (You can look these up with google)

and now for the bonus points.
Jitter dvd-r 8%
jitter dvd+R 9%
assymetry -5% and +15%
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Mon Feb 07, 2005 5:35 pm

although most people now consider jitter up to but not including 12% to be ok...
Punch Cards -> Paper Tape -> Tape Drive -> 8" Floppy Diskette -> 5 1/4" Floppy Diskette -> 3 1/2" "Flippy" Diskette -> CD-R -> DVD±R -> BD-R

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Postby RJW on Mon Feb 07, 2005 5:41 pm

Tell that a first generation PS2 owner.
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Postby alexnoe on Mon Feb 07, 2005 6:03 pm

hrhrhr #-o

Actually with 8% max, most recorded dvds are probably not dvds anymore :P
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Mon Feb 07, 2005 7:58 pm

alexnoe wrote:hrhrhr #-o

Actually with 8% max, most recorded dvds are probably not dvds anymore :P


Maybe 8x Taiyo Yuden burned at 4x... or 2x.... maybe?
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Mon Feb 07, 2005 8:00 pm

RJW wrote:Tell that a first generation PS2 owner.


Actually... now that you mention it... that explains a lot of why the Verbatim DVD+R9 disc I burned at 4x wouldn't play past a certain point in my friend's PS2 (which I believe is first Generation). The movie stopped playing at a point after the layer break, but there were no noticable spikes of anything.. but I didn't consider jitter of <12% being a problem, so I'll go back and look at that now.
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Postby alexnoe on Tue Feb 08, 2005 4:36 am

Maybe 8x Taiyo Yuden burned at 4x... or 2x.... maybe?
I could dig out some very old C'Ts.... but i'm pretty sure that MXL RG02 media was below 7% on a few drives
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Postby RJW on Tue Feb 08, 2005 6:11 am

Plextor PX708A (1.01) at 4x on 4x DVD+R
7.4/7.1/7.2%
max/average/ averag bottom

and how about these TY's.
FUJI DVD-R TYG01 on Pioneer DVR-a05 (1.33)
5.8/5.5/5.5%

Or PRINCO
Pioneer DVDR-a05 (1.33)
6.7/6.3/6.0 %

All results taken from C't 22 20.10.2003 (Didn't had some other older ones arround at the moment and I'm to lazy to dig them up.)

Oh and one other thing. I really have some doubts about first generation and error correction. What was SONY doing ?? I think Actually designing a optical pick-up that freaks on anything out if it's slightly out of the standard. :lol:
Yes it's that poor behaving !!
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