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Pioneer BDR-S03J 8x Blu-ray Disc Writer Out In Japan

Postby Ian on Mon Dec 29, 2008 12:59 pm

Pioneer's new 8x Blu-ray Disc writer has hit stores in Japan. According to Akiba PC Hotline, the BDR-S03J is going for about 36,000 Yen, or $399US.

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/akiba/ho ... oneer.html

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Re: Pioneer BDR-S03J 8x Blu-ray Disc Writer Out In Japan

Postby happy hopping on Sun Feb 08, 2009 12:41 am

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/ ... rs/BDR-203

What's the difference between this model vs. the BDR-203? Is there any1 who owns the BDR-203 that has a photo to show what country make the BDR-203? As I notice the S03J is made in Japan. But rather than that, the spec. looks about the same
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Re: Pioneer BDR-S03J 8x Blu-ray Disc Writer Out In Japan

Postby Ian on Sun Feb 08, 2009 1:02 am

The BDR-S03J has a fancy bezel and it looks like it has the same honeycomb noise reducing stuff that their Japanese-only DVD writers have.

This shows that the BDR-203 is made in Japan:

http://www.dvd-r.jpn.org/BDR-203/index.html
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Re: Pioneer BDR-S03J 8x Blu-ray Disc Writer Out In Japan

Postby happy hopping on Sun Feb 08, 2009 1:13 am

I don't care about the noise. But what about that dust proof feature? Pioneer Electronics of USA didn't talk about it.
So does BDR-203 has it?
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Re: Pioneer BDR-S03J 8x Blu-ray Disc Writer Out In Japan

Postby Ian on Sun Feb 08, 2009 10:46 am

I haven't heard of the BDR-203 having the dust proof feature either.
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Re: Pioneer BDR-S03J 8x Blu-ray Disc Writer Out In Japan

Postby happy hopping on Sun Feb 08, 2009 11:39 pm

Do you think it's a nice feature? BEcause I think BD-R media is not cheap, if it is a real feature, not some hype up advertising feature, then some of us should consider go for it.

Say if there is just a bit of dust on the inside, as the disk is burn, the dust may obstruct the burning.
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Re: Pioneer BDR-S03J 8x Blu-ray Disc Writer Out In Japan

Postby Ian on Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:41 am

You're going to get dust in there no matter what due to the way tray mechanisms are designed. If anything, it may extend the life of the drive a bit.
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Re: Pioneer BDR-S03J 8x Blu-ray Disc Writer Out In Japan

Postby frank1 on Wed Feb 18, 2009 1:30 am

. . .
YSS has published a review of this new Pioneer BDR-S03J burner (31/12/2008)
11 pages accessible from this link:
http://homepage2.nifty.com/yss/bdrs03jb ... bk_top.htm

He has done quality scans on various BD-R disc burned at 8x, 6x, 4x and 2x
Using CD-DVD Speed and the unique BD-ROM drive available for this job: the Lite-On DH401S,
seen under Windows as: « ATAPI BD 0 DH401S firmware CP56 »
http://homepage2.nifty.com/yss/bdrs03jb ... _bdr2x.htm
http://homepage2.nifty.com/yss/bdrs03jb ... _bdr4x.htm
http://homepage2.nifty.com/yss/bdrs03jb ... _bdr6x.htm


Some of the LDC and BIS values are just horrible (especially the discs burned at 6x and 8x)
but the burned discs still get a good TRT (transfert rate test)

2nd example of this page:
http://homepage2.nifty.com/yss/bdrs03jb ... _bdr6x.htm

Scan LDC/BIS of a BD-R TDK 6x - MID « TDKBLD-RBD000 » burned @ 6x
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Re: Pioneer BDR-S03J 8x Blu-ray Disc Writer Out In Japan

Postby frank1 on Wed Feb 18, 2009 1:39 am

. . .
So I really don’t know what to think


1°) is it still time to keep the fingers away from BD burning and especially from this Pioneer BDR-203 burner
like what Halc suggest here:
test-results-bluray-dvd-burners-and-media-t21949-25.html

2°) or is this method using the only drive available (Lite-On DH401S BD-ROM) for testing the BD-R burning quality
just not reliable ?
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Re: Pioneer BDR-S03J 8x Blu-ray Disc Writer Out In Japan

Postby Ian on Wed Feb 18, 2009 8:47 am

frank1 wrote:2°) or is this method using the only drive available (Lite-On DH401S BD-ROM) for testing the BD-R burning quality
just not reliable ?


I wouldn't call it unreliable yet but there hasn't been enough testing to see if it is accurate. My gut says that it isn't.

I'd like to see some write quality tests with Lite-On's BD combo drives to see how the results compare to the DH-4O1S.
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Re: Pioneer BDR-S03J 8x Blu-ray Disc Writer Out In Japan

Postby happy hopping on Sat Feb 21, 2009 11:49 pm

I have a no. of questions:
1) What's Lite On doing in here? What is LIte On going to deal w/ these tests?

2) In those speed graph, what's the yellow line vs. green line means? i.e., what's the legend for the speed of the Pioneer, is it yellow or green?

3) Why on earth does it take 1.5 hr. to burn a 50 GB? AT 2X? Is that Pioneer way of telling us the technology is not there yet or are these media manufacturer to lazy to make 8X BD-R DL 50GB?

4) When a 50GB is burn, does it use CLV (1.5 hr) or P-CAV (40 min)?

5) Is there any chance that this unit can't burn on a Sony media (for e.g.) but can burn on a TDK media? As there are other burners out there that some users claim it has problem burning on certain brand name media.

6) What's LDC and BIS and TRT? And how does these 3 thing affect the accuracy of the data after burned?

Some of the LDC and BIS values are just horrible


ON a sidenote, Panasonic already have 6X BD-R 50GB media, I can't believe it. Sony is still at 2X, and TDK is still at 4X
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Re: Pioneer BDR-S03J 8x Blu-ray Disc Writer Out In Japan

Postby Ian on Sun Feb 22, 2009 12:58 am

1. Lite-On seems to be taking more of an interest than they have in the past due to their partnership with Plextor and the PlexUtilities software they wrote for them. My impression is that Lite-On understands BD write quality testing about as well as everyone else (which isn't well at all) and their software is just spitting out the data from the Mediatek chipset. Is it accurate? Is it correct? Who knows at this point.

2. Green is write speed. Yellow is RPM.

3. That's how long it takes at 2x. No one makes 8x BD-R media yet. 6x is the fastest.

4. The Pioneer uses Z-CLV when writing at 8x.

5. It varies from drive to drive. Some will write to certain media at one speed, where others will write to it at another speed. It's been this way for many years with CD and DVD writers.

6. Google will tell you what they stand for, but I have yet to read a good description as to how they relate to writing quality.

And lastly, TDK does make 6x 50GB BD-R media.
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Re: Pioneer BDR-S03J 8x Blu-ray Disc Writer Out In Japan

Postby frank1 on Sun Feb 22, 2009 5:46 am

frank1 wrote: . . . .
Some of the LDC and BIS values are just horrible (especially the discs burned at 6x and 8x)

I used this word « horrible » because because for the scan I reported from the review made by YSS
you have the values:
Average LDC = 85.93
BIS max = 22

And it should be:
Average LDC < 13
max BIS < 8



[This was for a scan of a BD-R TDK 6x certified - MID code « TDKBLD-RBD000 » burned @ 6x]
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Re: Pioneer BDR-S03J 8x Blu-ray Disc Writer Out In Japan

Postby frank1 on Sun Feb 22, 2009 6:35 am

On the opposite the first LDC/BIS scan from this page:
http://homepage2.nifty.com/yss/bdrs03jb ... _bdr4x.htm
is nearly in specs for the LDC ans BIS values ...



Scan LDC/BIS of a BD-R TDK 4x certified - MID code « TDKBLD-RBB 000 » burned @ 4x CLV
by the same Pioneer BDR-203J-BK (fw 1.06):

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Re: Pioneer BDR-S03J 8x Blu-ray Disc Writer Out In Japan

Postby Dartman on Sun Feb 22, 2009 4:28 pm

Well till we get proper scanning drives we may have to go back to the does it play on all machines I try method :D The few bd-re disks I have made with my LG bd/hd burner reader have played in every machine we tried em in so far, A OLD pansonic bd-10a, Samsung, Sony bd-350 I think etc.
I played one of the disks all the way through on my 10a and it was stable just like the original was.
I remember playing with my 811 burners and it sometimes made disks that tested excellent and wouldn't play on anything, other burners would make so so disks that always worked, even after I was also able to test jitter levels.
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