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Postby dolphinius_rex on Fri Nov 19, 2004 12:00 am

I've just received word from one of my contacts who happens to be a Pioneer DVD burner distributor, that the DVR-108 is now being discontinued, and the DVR-109 is slated to be released in January.

I thought people might be interested in that tidbit :wink:
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Postby hoxlund on Fri Nov 19, 2004 12:40 am

can i set a 60 day auction on my dvr-108bk? hehe

you know i have a weak heart for new pioneer burners, don't make me buy this one and throw my 108 on ebay
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Postby crea78 on Fri Nov 19, 2004 1:22 am

What will be the new features added to DVR-109 which isn't found in the older drive?
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Postby hoxlund on Fri Nov 19, 2004 1:24 am

i was going to add that, but that would be great to know

i know dvd-r DL was one of em, any news on the features not present in the dvr-108?

also btw, is bitsetting present in the 108? just never use dvd+r flavor media so i had no clue
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Postby Jim on Fri Nov 19, 2004 1:34 am

hoxlund wrote:also btw, is bitsetting present in the 108? just never use dvd+r flavor media so i had no clue


Only if you use the equivalent firmware from their Piodata line and flash it to the DVR-108.
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Postby hoxlund on Fri Nov 19, 2004 1:59 am

so i would have to make my drive a Piodata drive, then flash it yet again to 108 drive?

no thx, ill stick with 1.14 hacked firmware from NIL
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Fri Nov 19, 2004 2:06 am

I'll see if I can get the offical specs, I don't know them off hand.
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Postby BMR on Fri Nov 19, 2004 10:38 am

Unless it is blue-ray, Who cares !!!!!

I hope pioneer is not becomming like LG where each new drive released has the most minor of feature improvments.

If the DVR109 only includes DVD-RDL 2X and leaves all other features the same as the DVR108 then why buy the drive ????????

The drive makers are laughing at us. They are effectively selling to us what should be firmware upgrades as new drives.

This entices the Hoxlands of the world to buy a new drive ( latest and the best with very little improvement ) when Pioneer should have just made a firmware update.

Now if they are getting the +RW and -RW speed past 4X, lets say to 8X and more importantly are getting the +RDL and -RDL up to 8X, and are adding +RWDL and -RWDL, then we would be talking about something useful to upgrade to. Dont hold your breath though, I have probably just listed the specs of the DVR110 DVR111 DVR112 and who knows how many more incarnations.

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Postby Ian on Fri Nov 19, 2004 11:15 am

OK, this is total speculation, but this is what I see the 109 having:

* CAV writing for DVD-R and DVD+R media
* support for DVD-R DL
* 8x DVD+RW writing speeds
* faster CD-R writing speeds
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Postby hoxlund on Fri Nov 19, 2004 11:30 am

your probably right BMR, looking at it and assessing the specs, i probably won't upgrade
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Postby Noua on Fri Nov 19, 2004 1:04 pm

I'm sure it won't have the 2x dl speed upgrade... Also i'm very curious to see tests of this drive... the same way i'm very curious to see if plxetor can fix 716... I'm sure these 2 drives will be top drives... (when it come to the plexor one i'm not that sure... i'm just hoping ... looool) #-o
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Postby dodecahedron on Fri Nov 19, 2004 4:53 pm

Ian wrote:OK, this is total speculation, but this is what I see the 109 having:

* CAV writing for DVD-R and DVD+R media
* support for DVD-R DL
* 8x DVD+RW writing speeds
* faster CD-R writing speeds

faster CD-R writing speeds - well it's about time! #-o

how about DVD-RW ? 6x like the LG 4163 or maybe they got to 8x ?
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Postby jgs9455 on Fri Nov 19, 2004 5:06 pm

:D
I think i will be getting the 109 !!
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Fri Nov 19, 2004 5:24 pm

I *DON'T* know, but this is what I expect"

DVD-R: 16x CAV
DVD+R: 16x CAV
DVD-RWs: 6x CLV
DVD+RW: 8x Z-CLV (Maybe CAV?)
DVD-R9: 4x CLV
DVD+R9: 4x CLV (maybe 8x?)

CD-R: 40x CAV
CD-RW: 24x Z-CLV (Maybe CAV)

Still trying to get this nailed down though :wink:
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Postby Ian on Fri Nov 19, 2004 6:23 pm

Just becareful what you post. I posted some leaked specs for one of Pioneer's drives and a lawyer from Pioneer Europe sent me a cease and decist. Overkill if you ask me.
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Postby alexnoe on Sat Nov 20, 2004 7:43 am

They do it because they can do it, not because it is useful for someone. Like some people take their neighbours to court because the dog is barking too much. The general term we use for this is "Wessie"
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Postby RJW on Sat Nov 20, 2004 9:25 am

Just becareful what you post. I posted some leaked specs for one of Pioneer's drives and a lawyer from Pioneer Europe sent me a cease and decist. Overkill if you ask me.


I know that Pioneer is very problematic about leaked information. That's why I never would post the complete data in the open.

Let me say this some of the guesses that put up here are quite right. And that's all I say about it.
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Sat Nov 20, 2004 3:30 pm

Ian wrote:Just becareful what you post. I posted some leaked specs for one of Pioneer's drives and a lawyer from Pioneer Europe sent me a cease and decist. Overkill if you ask me.


Well, those numbers I posted were complete guesses, based off the Plextor drive, and what I think Pioneer would need to put out to make people interested in buying the DVR-109 to replace a DVR-108. My contact who gave me the release date was unable to pin anything down for me, because his Pioneer rep wouldn't tell him either! :lol:

If I guessed right, and I'm sure I'm at least close, then it's just because I'm getting a good eye for Pioneer drives :wink:
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Postby I_Dzhugashvili on Mon Nov 22, 2004 7:01 pm

Well thank heavens I ordered a 108 a few days ago, because if I had read this about the 109, I would have waited for it to be released and then would have waited until I read a variety of reviews, and it would be MONTHS that I would have wasted in making a decision, when I needed to buy a burner months ago! Nothing would have been easier than to put of this descision for yet another few months!
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Postby shimman on Fri Nov 26, 2004 2:20 am

from my dell buddy, 109 was supposed to be released on late dec in japan & d_rex is right on the spec part except cdr speed. as far as he knows, there wouldn't be any speed up from 24x cdr

btw, pio is hoping to bring out 4x - dl, but 109 might end up with 2x. 2x -dl was supposed to be supported by 108, but pio had tech problems.

8x dl won't apear until late april 2005 due to media problems. even 4x dl wouldn't be available until late may 2005....according to my buddy @ dell
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Fri Nov 26, 2004 3:17 am

I think you buddy at Dell may not be quite right on the media part... however I don't expect many people know who is working on it, and who isn't. And who might just be working on it even more behind the scenes then the others! (at least 3 companies for sure so far!). I'm not able to say who they are, but it shouldn't be TOO hard to figure out one or two of them :wink:
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Re: Pioneer DVR-109 release date

Postby Ian on Fri Dec 17, 2004 4:56 pm

dolphinius_rex wrote:the DVR-109 is slated to be released in January.


This is confirmed for Japan. US could be a little later.. mid-January.
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Re: Pioneer DVR-109 release date

Postby dolphinius_rex on Fri Dec 17, 2004 6:25 pm

Ian wrote:
dolphinius_rex wrote:the DVR-109 is slated to be released in January.


This is confirmed for Japan. US could be a little later.. mid-January.


Nice! Do I know how to call 'em or what :D

Of course getting tipped off always helps too :wink:
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Postby mannie511 on Thu Jan 13, 2005 1:42 am

I'm guessing the Pioneer 109 is out really really soon?
I was planning on buying the 108 drive and most places have jacked up the prices or are no longer listing it. ie. canada computers.
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Thu Jan 13, 2005 4:36 am

mannie511 wrote:I'm guessing the Pioneer 109 is out really really soon?
I was planning on buying the 108 drive and most places have jacked up the prices or are no longer listing it. ie. canada computers.


It'll be out probably late January in the US... maybe early February. It'll be out here in Canada shortly afterwards I expect.
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