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Postby BuddhaTB on Sat May 15, 2004 1:48 am

I'll change my avatar once Monday rolls around.


Need to find me a boring avatar. :roll:
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Postby MediumRare on Sat May 15, 2004 2:12 am

Well, I got that message too. I had a hard look, but the only thing I could find about this avatar that might be inappropriate was the size:
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I just changed that. Or would you really prefer something like this ??

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Postby dodecahedron on Sat May 15, 2004 2:18 am

MediumRare wrote:Well, I got that message too.

what could possibly be wrong with your avatar???? :o :o :o
really, someone need to get a hold of themselves. :x
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Postby Spazmogen on Sat May 15, 2004 8:12 am

dodecahedron wrote:really, someone need to get a hold of themselves. :x


I agree.

If we get that knit picky, someone will be offended about something here all of the time.

You can't please everyone all of the time. I'm not even going to try and please anybody else.

I posted my own face as an avatar last year and was asked to change it because someone was offended by my face !

Where/when does this nonsense stop?

Is this one offensive to anybody:
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That really is me (at Jimmy Buffett's in Key West).

And that is REAL alcohol in that glass.

I'd already had 3 before that picture was taken @ noon hour.

Hey, the bar opened at 11 and I was on vacation after all. :D

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Postby Alejandra on Sat May 15, 2004 10:19 am

I´m no offended.

Great photo BTW, you are handsome :D

Boone and Ian, could a switch be implemented on the forum software to display avatars?

Boone, if I see some co-worker that has pictures like BuddaTB's on his screen I think that he doesn't has a good pop-up blocker or spam-blocker, I had seen worst pics.

I suffer my self of 20 to 30 emails a day from spammers with Enlarge your penis, Viagra, and porn sites contents, only because one of my emails accounts is registered on several domains.

Last week I received an email with breast enhacement subject/content for the first time, what a relief.
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Postby MediumRare on Sat May 15, 2004 10:23 am

Spazmogen wrote:Is this one offensive to anybody:
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That really is me (at Jimmy Buffett's in Key West).

And that is REAL alcohol in that glass.

I'd already had 3 before that picture was taken @ noon hour.

So that's why I'm seeing triple triple triple. :wink: Alcohol fumes via internet. Looks like you're enjoying yourself. :D

I answered CDRecorder that I did not find my avatar offensive.
Besides: the web lives in a "bad world" and anyone looking outside his/her own home page will encounter other views. A bit of tolerance is necessary. For example- look at the portal of my internet provider. Users are automatically redirected here at the start of each session.

I wouldn't pick Bhudda's avatar myself, but have no problems with him using it. And as far as Pranav's 2 avatars are concerned, I find his current advertising for a quasi-monopolist with questionable business practices much more offensive than Cindy Crawford!

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Postby CowboySlim on Sat May 15, 2004 11:07 am

Regarding MediumRare's avatar of the girl:
what could possibly be wrong with your avatar????
really, someone need to get a hold of themselves.
It's not the girl that's offensive; it's the EGG!

Regarding Spaz's avatar of himself:
Is this one offensive to anybody:
That really is me (at Jimmy Buffett's in Key West).

Well, if anything, it's the SHIRT! =D>

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Postby UALOneKPlus on Sat May 15, 2004 12:21 pm

Well, I switched ISP's, and my old avatar is gone. Now I have to find a new one anyway... #-o
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Postby dodecahedron on Sat May 15, 2004 1:53 pm

Alejandra wrote:Last week I received an email with breast enhacement subject/content for the first time, what a relief.

:D
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Postby Boone on Sat May 15, 2004 2:46 pm

dodecahedron wrote:your friends are in need of serious porn education if they think that LOL :lol:


This place isn't a pubescent boys club. It's CDRLabs, not T&A Labs. I'm completely in awe of your ability to realize that there's a place for everything, and T&A doesn't belong on a professional review site.
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Postby dodecahedron on Sat May 15, 2004 3:20 pm

Boone, i'm not sure if your words were aimed at me.

i don't want to argue with you, and after all it is your site.

but then, i did get rid of the girls pics in my sig (right after you made your comment).

to the point, i don't think they were anything near what might be called porn.
nor most of the other pics that were floating around here recently.

if someone was looking at those pics was thinking that this is a porn site, then they really don't know what a porn site is/looks like.

it was menat as a light-hearted joke, hence the :D


BTW, what's T&A
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Postby Boone on Sat May 15, 2004 3:29 pm

T&A = tits and ass

And it's not my site, it's Ian's. I just get to annoy the forum users. :)
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Postby pranav81 on Sun May 16, 2004 2:22 am

dodecahedron wrote:
pranav81 wrote:I too am facing problems when I browse through these forums.Heck,my friends thought that I was browsing a porn site.
I too think that the avatars should be as they were before the "avatar war".

your friends are in need of serious porn education if they think that LOL :lol:



I get that joke.But you have to admit that this is not prudent.I had not thought that this would last for so many days.I guess everyone should change their avatar to more decent one.I really will get embarassed if my family see's me browsing this forum with BuddhaTB's avatar on the screen.


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Postby JamieW on Sun May 16, 2004 9:08 pm

Did it really take another 15 posts to get to what I said earlier?

"It seems to me the dispute is whether you are enforcing rules or opinion."

Look, let's get down to it:

Buddha, your avatar is risque. While not nude and I like the girl and enjoy oggling her, please consider the others browsing. It doesn't strictly violate forum rules, but let's not force them to create a huge set of oppressive rules.

Medium, your avatar is attractive. An ample bosom does not make someone not work safe. If that were the case, my fiance could not visit me at work. Those of you who think that it is even close to out of line, go live with some Puritans.

Spaz, I don't even remember what your avatar was. But I find this current shirt highly offensive. Keep the avatar, but please never wear the shirt again.

Alejandra, those are all dandy. The one you removed was the only questionable one.

Clay, yours is on the line but I call it safe. It isn't up to me. I say your call on that one.

Whoever had the two women bumping and grinding...crikey, that one was straight out.

Samantha fox was fine. She's FULLY CLOTHED. Some of you people really need to accept that fact that there are some women out there with big breasts and tight shirts. Trust me, one is sitting next to me.

Dancing Britney is straight out.

I'm not trying to really single you guys out, you are just the ones that came to mind. I realize this is just my opinion. CDRecorder, I recommend you realize the same thing and not confuse your opinion with a rule because frankly, your opinions seem to venture over into the "prude" domain. So you don't need to act on my opinion, I'm not even really asking you to. But let's be self-policing so that the staff doesn't have to throw a whole bunch of rules on us.

This started as a rebellion of seeing a slightly freaky homage to a congress critter that went on too long. Well, if it is still going on, it is still going on. Aviation, you cohabitate this forum with several other people, you might want to respect some of the wishes of the community and go back to your normally odd icons and not the giant scary head. You are as much to blame in the continuance of this as anyone else. You know that you just had to remove your avatar in order for the rebellion to cease.

So now let's all settle down so that I can create some other drama elsewhere. This is really taking away from my "making fun of folks" posting time.

Like I said, if we don't police ourselves, we are guaranteeing that they will police us for us.
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Postby BuddhaTB on Mon May 17, 2004 2:47 am

Avatar changed. :(
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Postby pranav81 on Mon May 17, 2004 3:04 am

Well said JamieW.

And thanks a lot BuddhaTB for changing the avatar.


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Postby cfitz on Mon May 17, 2004 5:17 am

Wow! I go away for a few days and look at the uproar. :o I'm sorry I missed all the excitement and couldn't take time to explain myself, but I'm sure that once I tell you what I have been up to, you will understand.

You see, it all started out innocently enough while I was browsing the forums here during my work break. But suddenly everything changed when at the top of the page appeared, to my bewilderment, a half-naked picture of Britney Spears (I guess?) lounging in a bikini and tempting me with a free DVD player:

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Unclad women officially sponsoring CDRLabs?!? Naturally I was disgusted and offended, but on the hope that this was just an anomally, I diverted my eyes and continued reading the forum threads. Unfortunately, I soon came across this thread linking to pictures of scantily clad women such as this:

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With my delicate constitution in a state of shock, I immediately logged off this site and decided I would calm my frayed nerves by reading my email. Unfortunately, I was assaulted again when attempting to log on to my email account:

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Yikes! Breasts! Barely covered by a bikini, no less! I hurriedly entered my password to get past this outrage, but in my haste mis-typed and was forced to log in again:

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Horrors! Even worse! A bare midriff and a only a scrap of string bikini bottom! Trooper that I am, I perservered and managed to log in. "Success", I congratulated myself, only to be taken aback by those breasts again, but this time with a midriff and crotch too!! And she is making a suggestive comment to me!!!!:

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Okay, deep breaths, deeep breaths.... calm, happy thoughts... everything will be okay...

Regaining my composure, I opened an email from a colleague. Gasp! Cleavage alert!!:

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Switfly averting my virginal eyes, I closed the open email and returned to my inbox. Alas and alack, my distress was not diminished. If fact, it was increased! Breasts, a midriff, a crotch and hips!!!:

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After I regained my wits I decided that the problem was that I was viewing non-work sites during work hours. With this revelation, I pledged to myself never to cheat my employer by surfing for personal purposes on company time again, and set off with renewed vigor to give my all to my benevolent employer.

My first task was to look into alternatives to Blackberry two-way pager service. My boss was unhappy with the high cost of Blackberry, and wanted me to find out if there are cheaper competitors. I began my search with ZIM Technology's SMS text service at www.zim.biz:

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Woe is me! :( Did I mistype the URL?

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This can't be!! It says it offers an office solution, but that sure looks like T and A to me... But the boss is counting on me, and third time is the charm, so once more into the fire:

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Ohhhhh.... swoon.....

Fortunately, by the time I regained consciousness several hours later it was time to go home. Thankfully I turned off the computer and decided this was just what I needed: a break from the Internet. After all, we all know that the Internet is nothing but a cesspool of pornography.

Arriving home, I retrieved my postal mail and sat on the front steps going through the letters for the day. Ah! Here was something I could safely enjoy, a new catalog of computers from Dell. Surely that has nothing offensive, right? Oh, if only that were true... What did I see within but a large picture of a couple tightly embracing, her breasts against his chest, his arm drawing her in close, pelvises thrust together, an exhortation to "Rip it up, mix it down and play it long"... :o :

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Scandalous! Dancing is the devil's work, you know. As the catalog dropped from my hands (paralyzed with shock), the pages fluttered to another outrage, a topless woman on a beach!!:

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Et tu, Michael??

Another illusion shattered against the hard, harsh rocks of reality, I ran inside, leaving the sickening Dell catalog behind for the rats and other vermin of the street for whom such trash is more appropriate. Slamming the bolt home on my front door, I sighed with relief at having made it safely to my calm, proprietous abode. As my heartbeat slowed, I began to go through the rest of my mail. Happily I next came across a flyer advertising an upcoming family arts festival at a nearby town. I paused to peruse what sort of wholesome entertainment they are offering:

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GASP!!!!! Bare chests, breasts contained within tiny, metallic bikini tops, pulsating rhythms!!!! :o The shame! We all know what that means!!!

"Okay, okay, be calm," I told myself. "What I need is a nice vacation. Yeah, that would sooth my frazzled nerves." Accordingly, I began to leaf through the special section on vacation getaways in the AAA magazine, looking for a nice ocean cruise:

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Will it never stop!! :o More breasts, and quite large ones, at that!! Bare legs, too! And don't get me started about the midriffs.

Quickly I lit a blaze in the fireplace and tossed in the trash that the USPS had unseemingly deposited at my doorstep. With this distasteful task completed, I turned to my daily newspaper to find out what was going on in the world and distract myself from the recent nastiness. Unfortunately, as I picked up the newspaper an advertising flyer dropped out at my feet. As I leaned over to pick it up, I feel the blood rushing to my head, and not because I was bent over with my head below my heart:

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Good heavens, look at that trollop! Wearing a thin dress with slits cut up to here, spreading her legs wide, gently stroking the mighty gas tank that extends powerfully forward from between the man's legs as he mounts his untamed beast of a motorcycle... Eeeek!!!

Feeling faint, I collapsed on my sofa and thought pure thoughts about baseball... After a few minutes my psychic pain passed, but I began to feel a physical pain in my back, reminding me that I have been wanting to replace my old sofa with a more comfortable model. So I sat back up and began to page through the furniture ads. But before I even got to the easy chairs, I was stopped by yet another attack on my sensibilities:

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Another topless woman? Another bare back?? Will it never stop??? What would my mother think, if she saw me looking at this filth???? Wait!! My mother!!! I forgot mothers' day!!!! In a panic, I dug through the previous Sunday's paper for the mothers' day ad from Kohls, knowing that my mother likes to shop there and hoping to select a belated gift. But it was not meant to be... Oh no, no, no, no, no!!!! Two full pages of bras and panties, breasts and belly buttons is what I found!:

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Again I pondered my dilemma. This time I decided that my problem was that I was succumbing to the sinister siren of crass commercialism. Throwing aside the inserts, I turned to the innocent pleasure of the comics page. Here I would be safe, I was sure. After all, comics are made for children, right? Oh, my naivete knew no bounds....:

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Dresses with thigh-high slits, halter tops, bikinis, bare midriffs, legs... all in the children's comic pages!!! Who will protect the children!?!?! :x

Outraged again, I decided that I should confine myself only to the safe and staid world of professional journals, knowing that would shield my delicate eyes from the horrors of the human body. Reaching across my desk I picked up an old copy of C/C++ Users Journal that had some interesting articles I had been meaning to read. But as I perused the pages...:

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Ooooohhhhhh noooooo..... Legs slung up on the desk, suggestive comments, this can't be!! All right, C/C++ was always too racy. I made the switch to Dr. Dobbs Journal:

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Erk!! Bare buttocks! Gratuitous glutei!! Hastily I turned the page!!!

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Arrgghhhh!!! More cartoon cleavage!!! Having had enough of Dobbs' rubbish, I switched to E-Week:

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Oh no! Not décolletage!!!!

Fighting off waves of panic, I made one last, desparate grasp for the Microsoft Developers' Network Magazine. If anyone represents the standards of America that we all should emulate, it must be Bill Gates. Surely he wouldn't let me down, would he??? But, wait! What did I find in clear view? A full-page, back-cover ad where all can see it without even opening the magazine!!!! What if I had this magazine at work?? :evil: :

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NOOOOOOooooooooooo!!!!!!!!! I couldn't stand it!!! "Is nothing sacred?" I thought as I fell to floor in a paroxysm of revulsion induced paralysis.

A few minutes later I regained use of my limbs, picked myself off the floor, and decided to cleanse myself of the evil ways of humans and their unhealthy obsession with the human form and the opposite sex. And I knew just how to do it: a brisk, refreshing walk in the pure, clean wilderness of the great outdoors.

Reaching my stride, I slowly worked off the ague brought on by the shock of what I had seen. A serene peace settled over me as I enjoyed the call of the spring peepers. Making my way down to the stream, I sought out the source of this delightful call, and soon found it:

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At last! Relief from the abuse of the suggestive, inappropriate and offensive norms of American culture.

As I knelt down for a closer look, I wondered why this little guy was singing his heart out with such intensity. Startled by my movement, he leapt into the stream, drawing my gaze to the terrible answer to my innocent question :o :

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AAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!! It was everywhere!!!! I couldn't escape it!!!! Barely able to see from the horror of it all, I stumbled back home, climbed into bed, threw the covers over my head, curled up in a ball and slipped into the blessed nirvana of catatonia.

And that brings my story up to date. Today I finally arose from my stupified slumber and decided that I couldn't just hide from the world. It was time to face the harsh realities of the world with my newfound understanding of the evils lurking everywhere throughout it.

As my first action, I have decided to get rid of the evil avatar I have been using for the past week or so. Yes, yes, this evil Britney (or whoever this hussy is) has got to go:

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My first choice for a replacement was a logical one:

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However, despite the fact that she is suitably dead, she doesn't have enough of that old, white male politician quality that I now understand makes for an appropriate avatar around here. So I thought it over some more, and finally came up with the answer! Why I hadn't thought of it earlier, I will never know. After all, what could be more appropriate and less offensive than this paragon of patriotic fervor, this embodiment of politically connected elite, this protector of American values that we all hold so dear? And thus, I have my new avatar:

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What do you think? Haven't I done well? Am I not now suitably chastised and properly reformed? :wink:

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Okay, that's enough of my fun. If you recognized and enjoyed my humor, then great! If not, well then we simply have different values and senses of humor. We are all entitled to our own opinions.

Of course, that is what makes this subject difficult. "Inappropriate" and "offensive" are not constants but rather are subject to different opinions and interpretations. I don't believe in complete "cultural relativism" (a phrase I find a little offensive myself). I think there are some standards of behavior to which all humans must comply to qualify for the term "human". But at the same time I recognize that "inappropriate" and "offensive" are much too variable among people and cultures to be pinned down with exactitude. Thus, there truly is no "standard" that can be applied to all. And I certainly know that attempting to apply a universal "standard" is hopeless, because someone will always be offended by something.

Despite this, though, I did not intend to offend anyone with my avatar. All I was doing was poking some good-natured fun at aviationwiz and his "old man" avatars. And the truth is that his avatars didn't/don't actually bother me. I just thought they were odd choices for such a young guy. I figured an avatar more like mine would be a more likely first choice for most guys his age. So I put up the dancing avatar on what I always intended to be just a temporary basis. Anyone who follows this forum regularly knows that I don't generally use an avatar at all.

I also did not and do not believe my dancing avatar was/is inappropriate for these forums, not by the standards listed for these forums and certainly not by my standards. She isn't showing anything more than one can see almost anywhere in daily life in America as I amply demonstrated with my above tongue-in-cheek exposition. Even so, I understood that someone might be offended (as we know, someone always is), so when I first added the dancing avatar I sent an email to Ian pointing it out to him and telling him I would gladly remove it if he asked me to. He never asked me to remove it, so I didn't.

I was getting ready to remove it altogether on my own accord, but after seeing this uproar I have decided to replace it with my new "Ashcroft" avatar to express my point of view. If you are upset about Ashcroft, just be patient. I don't intend to leave it up permanently either.

As for the many comments made on this matter, I enjoyed reading all of them and appreciated everyone's input. I won't respond to all comments individually, but do have a few replies I want to make.

MonteLDS, think for yourself! Your comment that "the things that are found offensive should be determind by them that have authority" is really frightening. Mindless adherence to authority has been demonstrated, time and again throughout history, to lead to bad, bad outcomes.

CDRecorder (from whom I also received a request to remove my avatar - he made his requests evenhandly without regard to moderator / author / post-count status just so people know there was no cherry picking), I understand and respect your point of view. Please see the above for explanation of why I did what I did and did not remove my avatar on your request.

BatGnat, I am also amazed at how Americans so easily accept violence while at the same time so quickly condemn sexuality. We (I am American) are a bit schizophrenic about that. I suspect that if I had changed my avatar to a picture of Arnold Schwarzenegger cutting some poor sap in half with a machine gun, no one would have complained about an "inappropriate" avatar. While recognizing that early exposure to overt sexual behavior is not good for young children, I think the damage done by hyper-exposure to violence is far worse.

Spazmogen, I'm a bit embarrassed to admit this, but when I put out the call to "Bring back Spazmogen's avatar!", I meant your margarita-drinking avatar rather than the Samantha Fox avatar. Not that I find your margarita-drinking avatar offensive, mind you. In fact that is why I wanted you to bring it back - because I didn't think it was right that you felt obligated to remove a perfectly fine picture of yourself just because someone was "offended" by it. I actually forgot about Samantha... :oops:

UALOneKPlus, you nailed it.

Boone, although I agree that some recent avatars aren't "work safe", I don't feel that mine strayed from what is not uncommon in the workplace already (as demonstrated by the examples I included above). Moreover, I never personally thought of CDRLabs as a "professional" review site. No, I am not saying that Ian's reviews aren't well researched, well written, full of insightful analysis and otherwise professional in those senses. I am merely saying that the target audience has always seemed to me to be optical drive enthusiasts rather than professionals.

As I see it, the typical "professional" interest in optical drives falls mainly into one of two categories. First is the IT workstation buyer whose interest is limited solely to checking off the "include CD-RW drive" box on the Dell order form and who doesn't care to take the time to explore at the level of detail included here at CDRLabs. Second is the professional in the CD or DVD production and/or duplication business. These professionals are looking for information about high volume duplicators, fabrication labs, glass mastering and such, none of which is covered at CDRLabs. Neither type of professional has much use for the material at CDRLabs, so I don't think they are the primary targets of this site, and thus I don't consider CDRLabs to be a "professional review site". I may be wrong, but I think a poll would show that the vast majority of readers are enthusiast end-users.

If we are interested in catering to a high-brow professional crowd, then I would suggest we get rid of avatars, smilies and the like altogether. I suspect there are many who would consider Star Fleet insignia and Cartman avatars to be solidly in the realm of "pubescent boys club" material and inapropriate for a "professional" site. Certainly comments such as "you just need to get laid for once in your life" don't belong on a "professional" site.

Well, this whole episode has been interesting and informative. I never expected it to amount to all this, and I hope that no one was truly offended since that was not my intent, but I as I said in an earlier post at the beginning of this little episode, I offer no apologies. And with that, I close this massive post.

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Postby pranav81 on Mon May 17, 2004 5:56 am

Wow!
An interesting massive post. =D>



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Postby dodecahedron on Mon May 17, 2004 6:17 am

as usual, cfitz has said everything i might have wanted to say, and more.
and of course much more eloquently.

BTW, cfitz, when you said "bring back Spazmogen's avatar" it way i who equated that to the lovely Samantha Fox! :D
oops...my bad...it was Cowboy Slim :D


i would like, however, to point out, that while i was a major force in the AVATAR MOVEMENT, i did not once change my avatar!
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Postby MediumRare on Mon May 17, 2004 8:02 am

cfitz- well said!

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Postby JamieW on Mon May 17, 2004 10:42 am

Oh my dear sweet gentle Jesus, that was one of the greatest posts I've read. I agree with damn near everything you said, cfitz.
A man has been charged after allegedly punching a 73-year-old woman in the face, breaking her nose and stabbing her in the arm with a corkscrew before hitting a second woman with a bottle at a wedding reception in the Whitsunday Islands.
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Postby Ian on Mon May 17, 2004 10:56 am

Yes, that is a classic post.
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Postby CowboySlim on Mon May 17, 2004 12:38 pm

BTW, cfitz, when you said "bring back Spazmogen's avatar" it way i who equated that to the lovely Samantha Fox!
oops...my bad...it was Cowboy Slim

Regardless of the evidence cited above, I admit to such complicity with respect to Spaz's former avatar.

However, I will not remove my current "girlie" avatar because of objections regarding it's offensiveness.

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Postby Alejandra on Mon May 17, 2004 12:38 pm

cfitz wrote:BatGnat, I am also amazed at how Americans so easily accept violence while at the same time so quickly condemn sexuality. We (I am American) are a bit schizophrenic about that. I suspect that if I had changed my avatar to a picture of Arnold Schwarzenegger cutting some poor sap in half with a machine gun, no one would have complained about an "inappropriate" avatar. While recognizing that early exposure to overt sexual behavior is not good for young children, I think the damage done by hyper-exposure to violence is far worse.

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Well, Cfitz, you couldn't be more clear about the point I was talking with that picture I post with the gun's store.

BTW i like the comando skirt and boots I should buy them:
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Postby Alejandra on Mon May 17, 2004 2:40 pm

Ian, may I ask, what's your wife's opinion about all this? If she sometime saw you browsing the site with all theses "suggestive pictures of girls" because mine said "What's that?" when I was browsing yesterday and I explained all about, then said me, "Oh that is why you were scanning the cards the other day huh?" I replied, yes and ask me again "why you didn't post the iMacgirl? I like it", so I said, yes I posted but someone ask me to delete it, the only next I heard was "sights". :roll:
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