Pioneer DVR-108 Preview @ PC Watch

by **Ian** on Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:37 pm

Interesting read (if you can read Japanese):

http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2004/0715/dvddl.htm

16x DVD-R Write:

16x DVD+R Write:

I think I'll be holding onto my 12x drives a little longer.

by **aviationwiz** on Thu Jul 15, 2004 2:18 pm

Ian wrote:I think I'll be holding onto my 12x drives a little longer.

You can say that again!

by **dolphinius_rex** on Thu Jul 15, 2004 2:59 pm

why did they even bother?? that last speed jump is more likely to screw up the disc then it is likely to be worth the time difference.

by **Ian** on Thu Jul 15, 2004 3:06 pm

dolphinius_rex wrote:why did they even bother?? that last speed jump is more likely to screw up the disc then it is likely to be worth the time difference.

Bragging rights? Marketing? That way they can say that their drive writes at 16x.

by **hydrogen** on Thu Jul 15, 2004 3:07 pm

They should have stuck with 12x. The only reason I would be interested in this drive is because of the 4x dual layer support.

I guess you can always burn your discs at 12x instead of 16x. Hopefully it will give you that option.

It should be a good drive since the previous Pioneer burners were good.

by **Ian** on Thu Jul 15, 2004 3:50 pm

dolphinius_rex wrote:why did they even bother?? that last speed jump is more likely to screw up the disc then it is likely to be worth the time difference.

What time difference? It takes longer at 16x than at 12x!

by **aviationwiz** on Thu Jul 15, 2004 4:00 pm

Ian wrote:
dolphinius_rex wrote:why did they even bother?? that last speed jump is more likely to screw up the disc then it is likely to be worth the time difference.

What time difference? It takes longer at 16x than at 12x!

12x P-CAV that is...and remember when everyone said Plextor was nuts to make a 12x drive and not a 16x drive, :roll:

by **Noua** on Thu Jul 15, 2004 4:31 pm

Did you guys noticed the firmware number? v0.50 ... Interesting... #-o

could it be a preliminary test firmware? :oops:

by **dhc014** on Thu Jul 15, 2004 4:32 pm

Noua wrote:could it be a preliminary test firmware?

Most definately.

by **Ian** on Thu Jul 15, 2004 4:34 pm

Yep, it is. They haven't sent out the v1.00 firmware to OEM's yet.

by **Noua** on Thu Jul 15, 2004 4:37 pm

So, maybe with future updates we could have some surprises, and of course burn improvements, because with those speeds the A08 is going nowhere.
It's true that 4x DL is something to think of, but again, i'd rather stick with an A07...
Nevertheless it's still to early to say anything...

by **shimman** on Thu Jul 15, 2004 5:20 pm

for 108, i don't think zclv will become cav becaseu i think pioneer is still using nec's chipset. this chipset is designed to work as a zclv not cav...not impossible but it will be difficult without adding extra hardware.

only thing we can hope for this drive is to shift to 12x & 16x quicker than it is shown now....perhaps 4x dl -r

if this drive is going to be sold cheaper about 100~130 usd(not xl but 108) those problems can be forgiven easily i think

by **dolphinius_rex** on Thu Jul 15, 2004 5:52 pm

Hrm, this drive isn't exactly what I had hoped for... I think I'll keep my 107 until the 109 comes out :wink:

My Pioneer 107 is *STILL* the best burner I own, despite buying 2 other drives after it

by **Gen-An** on Thu Jul 15, 2004 5:58 pm

The 4x DL burn speeds are pretty impressive though. They all were within a few seconds of 27 minutes, which is about expected.

by **dolphinius_rex** on Thu Jul 15, 2004 6:38 pm

CDRinfo.com has stated that booktype is auto set to DVD-ROM for DVD+R9's too.... this is a good thing!

by **pchilson** on Thu Jul 15, 2004 7:36 pm

That's sick. This is a pure con job from Pioneer, just another "let's bury one in joe sixpack's a$$".
There isn't any 4x Double Layer media and by the time there is they will have another drive on the market.
Boo hiss if they release this drive like that. :^o

by **Ian** on Thu Jul 15, 2004 7:38 pm

dolphinius_rex wrote:CDRinfo.com has stated that booktype is auto set to DVD-ROM for DVD+R9's too.... this is a good thing!

Interesting. The article at PC Watch does say that, but the discs burned by the drive show as "DVD+R DL" in CD Speed and not "DVD-ROM". Weird...

by **dolphinius_rex** on Thu Jul 15, 2004 7:56 pm

pchilson wrote:That's sick. This is a pure con job from Pioneer, just another "let's bury one in joe sixpack's a$$".
There isn't any 4x Double Layer media and by the time there is they will have another drive on the market.
Boo hiss if they release this drive like that.

No one screamed "boo hiss" when BenQ released the 822a as a dual layer burner, which has still yet to receive the firmware upgrade to make it dual layer compatible, despite multiple dual layer drives now being on the market.

It's normal for drive makers to make drives WAY ahead of available media. Look at 32x CD-RWs for goodness sakes! :lol:

@Ian:
I've seen funny things like that before too... like DVD+Rs showing up as DVD-ROMs, even though the bitsetting wasn't done... and then later showing up as DVD+Rs by simply opening and closing the tray. It could be a bug or a glitch.

by **shimman** on Fri Jul 16, 2004 2:36 am

if pio really did put booktype setting chage for +r media (including +r dl), that's a miracle, i say.

pio has been trying to downplay with +r camp because +r camp is hurting patent revenue from -r.....i really hope pio is still developing -r dl

by **code65536** on Fri Jul 16, 2004 3:00 am

ROTFL! Z-CLV for 16x? This is sad... as noted in this thread already, 12x P-CAV can beat this 16x Z-CLV by about a minute!

by **Kennyshin** on Fri Jul 16, 2004 8:06 am

dolphinius_rex wrote:
pchilson wrote:That's sick. This is a pure con job from Pioneer, just another "let's bury one in joe sixpack's a$$".
There isn't any 4x Double Layer media and by the time there is they will have another drive on the market.
Boo hiss if they release this drive like that.

No one screamed "boo hiss" when BenQ released the 822a as a dual layer burner, which has still yet to receive the firmware upgrade to make it dual layer compatible, despite multiple dual layer drives now being on the market.

It's normal for drive makers to make drives WAY ahead of available media. Look at 32x CD-RWs for goodness sakes!

@Ian:
I've seen funny things like that before too... like DVD+Rs showing up as DVD-ROMs, even though the bitsetting wasn't done... and then later showing up as DVD+Rs by simply opening and closing the tray. It could be a bug or a glitch.

I noticed it, too. Sometimes I wondered if it was GSA-4120B bugl, sometimes writing as DVD+R, and sometimes as DVD-ROM. As long as the dsics are recorded and played well, not a serious problem though.

by **Kennyshin** on Fri Jul 16, 2004 8:20 am

They must be out of mind to call it 16x drives. 16x only from 4.2gB out of 4.5GB? Probably it also costs more than BenQ DW1620.

by **pchilson** on Fri Jul 16, 2004 8:50 am

dolphinius_rex wrote:No one screamed "boo hiss" when BenQ released the 822a as a dual layer burner, which has still yet to receive the firmware upgrade to make it dual layer compatible, despite multiple dual layer drives now being on the market.

Deliverd yet or not, Benq never claimed it was in the box.
Pioneer on the other hand is claiming this a 16x drive.
It spends about as much time at 16x as a two dollar hooker spends on her feet...
Are they actually going to be proud of this "achievment"?
The guys running home with this little package under their arm are going to be shocked. Hopefully Pioneer will start reporting POC now.

Is this about what we can expect from NEC's effort?

by **Kennyshin** on Fri Jul 16, 2004 9:15 am

BenQ 1600A is cheap!

by **digitaldoc** on Fri Jul 16, 2004 11:12 am

We can see that this is not a real 16x drive, and only a marketing ploy. The average user will probably never know the difference. And they probably think their Celeron chip is great too.

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