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Postby integspec on Wed Dec 10, 2003 9:41 pm

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Reason for living of all of us?

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Stone walls do not a prison make,
Nor iron bars a cage;
Minds innocent and quiet take
That for an hermitage;
If I have freedom in my love,
And in my soul am free,
Angels alone that soar above
Enjoy such liberty. - Richard Lovelace
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Postby NoSmartz on Thu Dec 11, 2003 8:08 pm

No Religion.
I only believe in what I see.

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Postby CowboySlim on Fri Dec 12, 2003 1:51 am

Pantheistic Deist

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Postby Turkeyscore.com on Fri Dec 12, 2003 2:22 am

Pantheistic Diest: one who believes that a God or gods exist(s) but does not believe any religions?
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Postby integspec on Fri Dec 12, 2003 6:40 am

pan·the·ism: noun
belief that God is everything: the belief that God and the material world are one and the same thing and that God is present in everything

de·ism: noun
rational belief in God: a belief in God based on reason rather than revelation, and involving the view that God has set the universe in motion but does not interfere with how it runs.

It's difficult for me to put those two together but I think you just established a new religion... :) :)
Stone walls do not a prison make,
Nor iron bars a cage;
Minds innocent and quiet take
That for an hermitage;
If I have freedom in my love,
And in my soul am free,
Angels alone that soar above
Enjoy such liberty. - Richard Lovelace
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Postby CowboySlim on Fri Dec 12, 2003 3:44 pm

Very good, turkeyscore and integspec. No if we look at the quote from NoSmartz:
No Religion.
I only believe in what I see.
we find that it is quite representaive of Pantheistic Deism which doesn't accept religions as creations of God but as establishments of man. As such, a PD views established religions and all their faith based beliefs as resulting from hearsay which is contrary to seeing is believing.

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Postby JamieW on Mon Dec 15, 2003 1:17 pm

Slim,

You're going to have a hard time really getting me to argue with you here. I am in near complete agreement.

I view the church as more of a creation of man. I personally have to allow for the possibility that religion itself, defined here as the individual belief in a deity and not a group belief, may indeed stem from that deity. That said, I must also state that the belief may stem from society instead. I do find more evidence of the latter in defining why people are part of certain religions. Robert Ingersoll tersely explained this better than I can. If you've not read his work "Why I am Agnostic," I highly recommend it even for those non-Agnostics out there.

However, regarding the individual belief in a deity, with no way to prove it either way, I have to leave it as unanswered. Absence of proof is not proof of absence.
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Postby NoSmartz on Wed Dec 17, 2003 1:41 am

we find that it is quite representaive of Pantheistic Deism which doesn't accept religions as creations of God but as establishments of man. As such, a PD views established religions and all their faith based beliefs as resulting from hearsay which is contrary to seeing is believing.

I've never heard of Pantheistic Deism but I'll admit I've never looked into any sort of religion in general.I never really discuss it with anyone here where I live 'cause of the ramifications.Texas isn't a place where you discuss this topic openly.They'd think I was from mars.I'll read more on this PD to satisfy my curiosity.

I don't mock religions or anything,in fact,I admire people who join a group to believe in something and stick with it.I respect that.I just live for the day.Nothing more.Nothing less.

However, regarding the individual belief in a deity, with no way to prove it either way, I have to leave it as unanswered. Absence of proof is not proof of absence.


Excellent quote.

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Postby Roughneck on Wed Jan 07, 2004 12:53 pm

Im Anglican Church , ie Church of England

not a practising Christian though
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Postby jase on Wed Jan 07, 2004 3:18 pm

Very sceptical Agnostic. I'm not quite an Athiest, but nearly there. With the conflicting religious interests of the various bits of my family it's the safest bet anyway.

I am also of the opinion that all religions are to a greater or lesser extent the creations of human beings rather than whatever creator/s may or may not be out there. As such, I consider it a pointless exercise to subscribe to any one of them when it is almost certainly at the very least mostly untrue (there are many thousands of religions. Say there are 1000; if I follow any one of them I have a 99.9% chance of being wrong).

Pantheistic Diest: one who believes that a God or gods exist(s) but does not believe any religions?


This sounds very reasonable to me. I think it is completely rational to theorise that something created the universe; the definition of what "God" is in this instance is totally open, and that is the way it should be really IMHO in the absence of any concrete scientific evidence.

CS, I'd like to join your, ahem, religion please ;)
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