RJW wrote:1 Squeezing in the MID should be possible.
Yes, we can do that, it's always more convenient for the active hobbyist that way.
HOWEVER, and I'm only going to say this one more time.
Ordinary customers, who are even more important in my own opinion (because they lack knowledge) are the toughest bunch to help, but that's who we are trying to cater for:
1) No 4 page article is going to ever to teach them all tricks of the fake codes, switching factories, how to analyse, where to read, which forums to hang out in, etc. It's just not realistic.
2) These people need simple rules as to what to buy from the stuff that is available to them. Even if it's not always 100% spot-on, it's better than a random sampling. Not recommendations for stuff that they never see in the store. Hopefully not too many recommendations for stuff that is good today, crap tomorrow.
Now, let's not be elitistic, but try to help the ordinary joe. He want's his grandchildren's photos to last until they grow up. Which of the discs available to him in the ordinary shops (not mail order from another country) should he put his trust on for the next couple of years, until the next article comes out?
As we know, it's a difficult challenge (due to constant switching by brand owners), but that's exactly why I'm asking for your knowledge and help on the issue :)
If you don't do this then I can recommend you to only use brands that are consistant when it comes to there product or else (WARNING: I'm going to be rude here ! :o)
That's exactly what I'm after.
Most consistent quality brands.
BUT with the additional difficulty factor: available in Finland!
I know, it's tough :)
I think you can call it page filling what you do.
I hope you know me better than think that I'd resort to that :)
Don't take me for an average cdfreaks moron, please :)
2 There's is some 8x discontinued media on it.
Very good point. I'll revise the list as I learn more.
I'll just have to try and guess, which ones will be replaced and by which exact disc models AND where I can source those
discs, before they are available here.
Your info on this would be very helpful.
3 Also incase of consistancy fake media will be a problem.
Yes agreed again.
However, the point is to give a warning example to the average customer: if you order 'quality' stuff from an unkown retailer, which sells the stuff for way too low price, you may get this: <fill in results for the really bad fake TY>
That's all I want to accomplish with the fake.
The fact that fakes can sometimes be of varying quality, is of no interest to me (within the scope of this article).
It's important for the average joe to understand, that if he saves all his precious dv-films on crappiest dvd he got off some no-name middle-european webshop for 0.000001cents a piece, then all bets are off. Regardless of whatever the shops says the stuff is made of.
You know, us Finns are a little bit simple like that. If somebody tells us X is X, we believe them.
4 TTH02 ->16x TDK. TTG02 ->8x TDK TTH01 -> 8x TDK (scratchguard,printable. (Stuff made by MAM-E/TDK luxembourg !))
So which one do you mean.
I wasn't that far yet. I went to the stores yesterday, to pick up the stuff. This requires actually walking around in the physical stores and sampling what's available, what's most sold, etc. Takes time you know :)
This is probably the second most available and popular stuff here locally:
TDK DVD-R 8x, item code on the back of the packaging: DVD-R47EC, MID: TTG02, inner-hub stamped serial: MAH646JI06032815 1 / DVD-R 5224A2, NO "Made in" information available anywhere on the packaging. Sold as jewel case packaged discs in cardboard packs of 10.
Looks like this: http://img69.imageshack.us/my.php?image ... xjc3kx.jpg
However, now I'm not sure, if it'll be replaced soon (as per your comments). I've yet to hear from the local importer.
6 I suggest to leave out any rewritable format because of there behaviour !
<sigh> You should have guessed what discussion I already had with the editor. I have to pick one, so I pick one and make the least worst out of a forced situation.
7 Also a single format for dual layer is a joke ! Even if the popularity is not there yet. (Seeing that the prices for dual layer have dropped much in the last 2 months in the rest of europe. I think that you might still have to see the price drop because of slow sales. )
RJW, life is a compromise. I'm not c't magazine.
This is mostly coming out of MY OWN pocket. I have a separate day-job too :)
I'd rather not test DL at all, because people do not use it here and even when they start to use it, I assume it'll perhaps be max. 20% of all discs sold, unless it drops to exact same price as SL within the next two years (hardly likely). And in two years, the results of the test are out-of-date and there needs to be a new test anyway...
Please do understand that this is a test not done for myself, you and dolphinius_rex, but for a wider audience, trying to help the average joe today.
The people who are really into this stuff and can spend hours in forums, can read c't like I do. The rest don't even know c't exists!
I do appreciate all your comments though. I'm just trying to paint a picture of the context of the test and article.
Also if it's about formats then you should also take Dual layer -R and DVD-RAM (cartridge and non cartridge based !) and DVD-RW.
Again, it's not that I disagree, but with very limited resources, I place my resources where they belong: pick battles large enough to matter, small enough to win.
I try not to make it about formats. I'll try to paint a picture of the most sold discs (which are +/-R SL, NOT RW, NOT RAM, NOT DL).
- a most likely 'good' disc out of the ones available here (if tests show really good results)
- an uncertain quality of phase change in general (with one example, because I'm forced to)
- the problem with fakes (they can be really bad)
- the worst examples of the popular discs (if tests show really bad results of course)
I still don't know how to handle the DL issue. I have no idea yet. I hope something will come to me in the process of testing.
Test is SL -R/+R, because that's what people buy. In addition one DL one +RW, not because I want, but because I have to. And I agree, it's a compromise. Life is.
consistant product list these are based on the products available in Europe !!
Great list, thanks!
I really appreciate all your knowledge and posts on the issue. Keep'em coming and be rude if necessary :)
As for all the other discs, I've yet to decide on the exact specifics (like which Sony to use). It has to be the one the most commonly availble and most sold. I still haven't found out this data for all discs yet. More details later.