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Verbatim 12x DVD+R is MCC 003 not MCC 004

Postby MediumRare on Sat Oct 23, 2004 7:02 pm

This may not be news for everyone, but I thought I'd mention it. Verbatim is marketing 12x certified DVD+R media in Europe (reorder 43473, Made in Taiwan). This is MCC 003, (the "good" type X47B or "Bn"), not MCC 004 as you might expect. I don't know how it differs from 8x certified MCC 003 other than packaging or price. I won't buy it again because my drive (LiteOn SOHW 1213S@1633S) will only burn it @8x and I can get printable 8x MCC 003 for less.

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Postby raygay27 on Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:15 am

MCC004 is 16x media
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Postby Ian on Sun Oct 24, 2004 11:22 am

raygay27 wrote:MCC004 is 16x media


He knows that. It's just the fact that Verbatim is selling 8x DVD+R media as 12x media.
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Postby alexnoe on Mon Oct 25, 2004 8:49 am

12x DVD+R media does not exist at all....
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Postby MediumRare on Mon Oct 25, 2004 9:09 am

alexnoe wrote:12x DVD+R media does not exist at all....

That's what I thought too until I saw the box. :roll: I was curious and bought some. Interestingly, it's on Verbatim's European website in German but not in English (see the table at the bottom). A couple of days ago, they had images of the 12x stuff, but they seem to be gone now. :roll:

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Postby MadBurner on Mon Oct 25, 2004 10:48 am

So then is this company selling 8x DVD+R media as 12x media?

Perhaps this is a marketing ploy #-o

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Postby bch on Mon Oct 25, 2004 12:44 pm

Verbatim is marketing a similar MCC 003 item (Reorder #94968) in the USA. On one side of the package it states 1X-8X speed. On the opposite side are the following words "Up to 12X compatible with 12X Hardware". Both my NEC-3500A and Plextor-716A burn this media at 8X.
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Postby alexnoe on Mon Oct 25, 2004 12:52 pm

The Plextor 712, LG 4120B and Pioneer A08 can write verbatim 8x +r media at 12x, so they will of course also write the same discs at 12x if they are labeled as 12x...

But something like "12 dvd+r media" does not exist. It's like 7.3x DVD-RAM ...
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Mon Oct 25, 2004 1:55 pm

alexnoe wrote:But something like "12 dvd+r media" does not exist. It's like 7.3x DVD-RAM ...


LOL

How about 5x DVD+R9?
Punch Cards -> Paper Tape -> Tape Drive -> 8" Floppy Diskette -> 5 1/4" Floppy Diskette -> 3 1/2" "Flippy" Diskette -> CD-R -> DVD±R -> BD-R

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Postby Ian on Mon Oct 25, 2004 2:30 pm

This kinda reminds me of Verbatim's last press release for their DVD+R DL media. They claimed that it was 5x capable.. even though its rated at only 2.4x.
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Postby alexnoe on Mon Oct 25, 2004 2:32 pm

It is 5x capable, and the point is that they don't print "5x certified" on it... just like their 8x +r media is 12x capable, as several drives prove, but not "12x certified"
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Postby Ian on Mon Oct 25, 2004 2:39 pm

Yes, but a lot of people (including some disc sellers) don't know the difference between "capable" and "rated".
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Postby MediumRare on Mon Oct 25, 2004 6:01 pm

alexnoe wrote:It is 5x capable, and the point is that they don't print "5x certified" on it... just like their 8x +r media is 12x capable, as several drives prove, but not "12x certified"

Guess why I started this rant: :evil:

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Postby MadBurner on Mon Oct 25, 2004 6:30 pm

It's pretty hard to argue with that kind of evidence :P

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Postby bac on Mon Oct 25, 2004 7:23 pm

bch wrote: Both my NEC-3500A and Plextor-716A burn this media at 8X.
I wonder if we can get these write strategies working for the nec3500. Stock 3500 firmware will only write mcc003 at 8X. With liggy's firmware hacks, you can write them at 12 or 16x, but there are often excessive pi/po errors when the write speed hits about 12x.
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Postby dodecahedron on Tue Oct 26, 2004 12:45 am

MediumRare wrote:
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Postby alexnoe on Tue Oct 26, 2004 12:46 am

It's pretty hard to argue with that kind of evidence
Not at all

MediumRare: I know. I have seen those discs in shops as well. If verbatim had printed "8x certified, 12x capable" on them, like Plextor does on their TY 8x +R discs, then nothing would be wrong... those discs are not 12x certified and will never be, because there is no 12x +R standard, and none is planned to be created. I would never have expected Verbatim to lie to us to such an extend!
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Postby MadBurner on Tue Oct 26, 2004 1:08 am

Is there any type of fine print on the back of the packaging that says anything in regards to 12X Certified?

How about a scan of the back?

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Postby MediumRare on Tue Oct 26, 2004 7:30 am

MadBurner wrote:How about a scan of the back?

OK here you are (although it's not very useful :wink:). The single disc has a reorder 43473, the 5-pack is 43474.

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alexnoe wrote:If verbatim had printed "8x certified, 12x capable" on them, like Plextor does on their TY 8x +R discs, then nothing would be wrong...

You're right, that would be the proper thing to do, but as a German saying goes "paper is patient" (or long-suffering).
alexnoe wrote:there is no 12x +R standard, and none is planned to be created.

I know that. That's why there aren't any 12x burners, really (my SOHW-1213S is a decent 8x burner with good media, which is all I really need 8))
alexnoe wrote:I would never have expected Verbatim to lie to us to such an extend!

If you feel that strongly about it, I'd suggest sending an e-mail to Verbatim Europe. They've been very open to suggestions in my experience. My main purpose on posting this was to share information.

I've encountered some Verbatim packaging that was (in my eyes) much more misleading! Older forum dwellers may recall my encounter with DataLife Made in Mexico, but Verbatim was very positive in sorting that out (see later posts in the same thread).

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Postby alexnoe on Tue Oct 26, 2004 7:36 am

That's why there aren't any 12x burners, really
Burners are not specified like discs are... you can claim a burner to be a 12x burner if it writes at 12x properly, and some drives do that using 8x discs.
If you feel that strongly about it, I'd suggest sending an e-mail to Verbatim Europe.
The reason I don't like it is that a 4x disc is 1 euro, a 8x disc is 1,30 euro and a 12x disc is 1,50 Euro here. People pay 20c more for nothing. That's what I don't like ...
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Postby MadBurner on Tue Oct 26, 2004 2:34 pm

MediumRare wrote:OK here you are (although it's not very useful :wink:). The single disc has a reorder 43473, the 5-pack is 43474.


Thanks for sharing the info!!

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Postby dodecahedron on Tue Oct 26, 2004 10:45 pm

MediumRare wrote: Verbatim was very positive in sorting that out

yeah, maybe alexnoe will get a free flash-drive :D
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Postby dodecahedron on Mon Mar 28, 2005 10:10 am

Verbatim's webpage still has these 12x listed.
interestingly, they are in the Englishpage and not in the Germanpage.
picture of a 5-pack.

OK, MediumRare, time to give them a call and receive another flash-drive. :lol:
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