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Postby TCAS on Sun Aug 08, 2004 6:11 pm

If the DVD Burner from all these different manufacturers which some of them we all have claim during the course of last 4-5 years to be the best for producing the writers (Burners) are all some how troublesome and these companies are incapable to manufacture fault free burners then for god sake whom the consumers should trust for good products?. May be we all have rush some time in to judgment as defining what drive is good and which one is not.
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Postby kirpen on Sun Aug 08, 2004 9:00 pm

I had an nu-081 that i didnt care for but my 811 has been alright in the +R department. I have read very bad things about it & -R so I never tried it. I do know I'm not getting a new dl drive unitl they are second generation 4x and I people say its good on all media types.
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hey, wesociety

Postby liteonrules on Sun Aug 08, 2004 9:47 pm

wesociety wrote:
liteonrules, are you regretting your choice of a forum username now


no way, i still love LITEON, I only had one bad experience and i believe it should be the last as i will choose a better LITEON dvdrw model and i will read more reviews to find out which dvd burner is good
my regular cd burners made by LITEON were the best in my opinion and i believe they will make better dvd burners in the future
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Re: hey, wesociety

Postby HyperYagami on Mon Aug 09, 2004 1:33 am

liteonrules wrote:wesociety wrote:
liteonrules, are you regretting your choice of a forum username now


no way, i still love LITEON, I only had one bad experience and i believe it should be the last as i will choose a better LITEON dvdrw model and i will read more reviews to find out which dvd burner is good
my regular cd burners made by LITEON were the best in my opinion and i believe they will make better dvd burners in the future


I agree that their CD-burners did/do rule, but on the DVD-ROM/burner field they're pretty...weak. My 1st DVD-ROM was a Lite-On and it screamed like a chicken being slaughtered. The newer ones are OK but not among the best like they did with CD stuff. Their 1st gen DVD-burners were disappointments, and the newer ones aren't anything special. Yes they'll make better burners, but so will the others and the others will still probably be better...
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Postby aviationwiz on Mon Aug 09, 2004 4:18 am

Well, so far, here's what I've had:
Ricoh MP5125A
Plextor PX-708A
Pioneer DVR-107
Plextor PX-712A

DVD+R discs burned on the Ricoh wouldn't play on one of the DVD Players, the DVD player isn't supposed to play DVD+R (per the specs) but seems to play with some newer DVD+R media. This I would not qualify as my worst drive, because I am certain it was media issues now that I look back on it, even with bad media, it did pretty well.

The Plextor PX-708A suffered many firmwares where 8x writing on 4x media would be slowed at the end of the disc, and some discs burned were bad burn quality, unreadable, or, a flat out coaster. Otherwise, it was a solid drive, however, this drive does qualify for my worst drive.

The Pioneer DVR-107 was horrendous. The DVR-107 popped out more coasters than any of my other drives, and much of the burns were unreadable. This drive does qualify for my worst drive spot. This drive also has a very noticeable, and large bias for DVD-R media, burning DVD+R media, well, generally poorly.

The Plextor PX-712A has so far been excellent, 8x (or 6x) writing is flawless, where as it was flawful on the DVR-107 and the PX-708A. 12x writing also is flawless. Coupled with the 8MB buffer, which I give credit to for making higher speed writes flawless (unlike the DVR-107 or PX-708A.) I am also able to check the media quality, which seems much easier, and more reliable than the equivalent testing on Lite-On drives. This drive does not qualify for my worst drive spot.

So, who gets the final spot for the worst drive I have used? It's a close one between the DVR-107 and the PX-708A (which neither was all that bad anyway.)

I would have to go with the DVR-107 because it popped out a higher percentage of coasters, and unreadable discs than any of the other drives, however, the PX-708A follows in close second place for worst drive I have used.
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Mon Aug 09, 2004 4:28 am

Weird... I find my Pioneer DVR-107 to be MUCH more forgiving on media then my Plextor 712a :o
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Postby ClayBuster on Mon Aug 09, 2004 5:24 am

dolphinius_rex wrote:Weird... I find my Pioneer DVR-107 to be MUCH more forgiving on media then my Plextor 712a :o


Same here
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Postby Kennyshin on Mon Aug 09, 2004 6:32 am

Toshiba SD-R5002.

Because that's the only drive limited to 2x among what I have had. :D
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Postby Shredder on Mon Aug 09, 2004 9:42 am

aviationwiz wrote:12x writing also is flawless. Coupled with the 8MB buffer, which I give credit to for making higher speed writes flawless (unlike the DVR-107 or PX-708A.)


8MB buffer doesn't help DVD burning at all. Specially not at speed greater than 4-6X.
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Re: what's the worst DVD burner u have owned?

Postby VEFF on Mon Aug 09, 2004 1:47 pm

liteonrules wrote:my first dvd burner and it is LITEON 811S, i hate it


It's ironic that your member name is 'liteonrules' then. ;)
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Plextor PX-716A same TLA

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LiteOn 52246S (another)
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Postby alexnoe on Mon Aug 09, 2004 1:49 pm

Maybe he chose the nick in the times when LiteOn CD writers were working nicely?
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Postby VEFF on Mon Aug 09, 2004 1:54 pm

I can't say that there is a "worst" DVD burner in my case.
- I first had a 1X DVD-R/DVD-RAM combo Panasonic LF-D311SC
- I upgraded to a 4X dual format Sony DRU-500A (for $3 more than I sold the Panasonic for)
I added a 4X DVD-RW Pioneer DVR-105 and a 4X DVD+RW
NEC ND-1100A
- I then sold the Sony, Pioneer and NEC and bought 2 Plextor PX-708A drives.
- Sold both Plextors and bought a Benq DW822A-OC2.

I liked every single one of them.
I never had a problem with coasters or other issue with any of them, except for DVD-RAM packet-writing errors, but that is like CD-RW packe-writing - very unreliable.
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Plextor PX-716A same TLA

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LiteOn 52246S (another)
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Postby BoGMan1a on Tue Aug 10, 2004 12:18 am

Sony 500ax(mainly because it cost $350), followed by HP 300c($49 on clearance and still a piece). I really like my Lite-on 811s, but I try to buy only quality media to burn on it. And finally, I regret giving my NEC 1100 away to my cousin. I rarely had a problem with it and wished that I had kept it in my secondary box instead of the Sony.
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Postby dodecahedron on Tue Aug 10, 2004 12:51 am

aviationwiz wrote:Well, so far, here's what I've had:
Ricoh MP5125A
Plextor PX-708A
Pioneer DVR-107
Plextor PX-712A

DVD+R discs burned on the Ricoh wouldn't play on one of the DVD Players, the DVD player isn't supposed to play DVD+R (per the specs) but seems to play with some newer DVD+R media. This I would not qualify as my worst drive, because I am certain it was media issues now that I look back on it, even with bad media, it did pretty well.

The Plextor PX-708A suffered many firmwares where 8x writing on 4x media would be slowed at the end of the disc, and some discs burned were bad burn quality, unreadable, or, a flat out coaster. Otherwise, it was a solid drive, however, this drive does qualify for my worst drive.

The Pioneer DVR-107 was horrendous. The DVR-107 popped out more coasters than any of my other drives, and much of the burns were unreadable. This drive does qualify for my worst drive spot. This drive also has a very noticeable, and large bias for DVD-R media, burning DVD+R media, well, generally poorly.

The Plextor PX-712A has so far been excellent, 8x (or 6x) writing is flawless, where as it was flawful on the DVR-107 and the PX-708A. 12x writing also is flawless. Coupled with the 8MB buffer, which I give credit to for making higher speed writes flawless (unlike the DVR-107 or PX-708A.) I am also able to check the media quality, which seems much easier, and more reliable than the equivalent testing on Lite-On drives. This drive does not qualify for my worst drive spot.

So, who gets the final spot for the worst drive I have used? It's a close one between the DVR-107 and the PX-708A (which neither was all that bad anyway.)

I would have to go with the DVR-107 because it popped out a higher percentage of coasters, and unreadable discs than any of the other drives, however, the PX-708A follows in close second place for worst drive I have used.

quite unbelievable! :o
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Postby Scour on Tue Aug 10, 2004 1:40 am

Hello!

My worst DVD-writer: NEC 1300A

Good at DVD+R, but the quality with DVD-R (which I use mostly) was terrible. That was disappointing because that writer came to the market a half year later than announced; I don´t know how worse the writer could have been when it came out a little time earlier.

The NEC 2500A seems to be much better

Now I have a LG GSA 4082 and no problems with all media I used :)
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Postby wicked1 on Tue Aug 10, 2004 1:41 am

aviationwiz wrote:The Pioneer DVR-107 was horrendous. The DVR-107 popped out more coasters than any of my other drives, and much of the burns were unreadable. This drive does qualify for my worst drive spot. This drive also has a very noticeable, and large bias for DVD-R media, burning DVD+R media, well, generally poorly.


I have a very hard time believing this and even if it were true why not RMA it? Thats what most people did with the plextor 708A. I did 3 times total.I have yet to have a coaster out of my 107 and I use media from Longten(pure junk) to TY(godliness). My friends who have 107s and do duplication with them dont have porblems like that either.Anyway back to the topic.
My worst drive is the Plextor 708A.As a matter of fact its the only drive I have owned that I flat out hated. I used to get sooo mad with plextor tech support on the phone.Look up my posts with the plextor and you will see this.Here is my list from best to worst that I have owned.

Pioneer 107
Pioneer 106
Sony 500AX
LiteOn 832S
Nec 1300A
Plextor 708A
Pioneer dvr-108,NEC 3540,BenQ 1640,LiteOn 1693S
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Postby Wesociety on Tue Aug 10, 2004 3:33 pm

aviationwiz wrote:I would have to go with the DVR-107 because it popped out a higher percentage of coasters, and unreadable discs than any of the other drives

EEOC errors? :P

Edit: For those that have been wondering, this acronym stands for 'Equipment Exceeds Operator Capabilities'. :lol:
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Postby digitaldoc on Wed Aug 11, 2004 12:13 pm

They should definitely give out this award. I can hardly wait to see the box in Best Buy with the "Worst DVD Writer" sticker emblazoned on it. The Geek Squad would probably use it as a selling feature.

If I new my BTC 1008 was such a close cousin of the LiteOn 811, I probably would not have purchased it, although it has been adequate for my needs thus far.
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Postby Halc on Wed Aug 11, 2004 4:15 pm

Optorite DD0401: highest amounts of coasters (both CDR and DVDR), most problems with firmware upgrades, most problems with various software and picky in reading some discs.

Then again, I didn't buy Optorite to burn anything, so it's been useful nevertheless.

I've been pretty satisfied with PX-708 and so-so satisfied with hacked LiteOn 851s (original firmware it has it was crap). Then again, I didn't buy the LiteOn to burn with, so I've been quite satisfied with it for what I bought it for (kProbing).

The best one has been Nec ND2510A for me.

BenQ DW1600 and PX-712 I just got so I can't really comment on them yet.

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Postby jase on Wed Aug 11, 2004 5:31 pm

I bought a Nu-Tech 8x thing based on reports that it was a good hacker's drive with good support, and can do good PIPO scans.

Mistake.

The drive is a load of rubbish IMHO. I must sell it on ebay with some decent +R discs thrown in (so the buyer can't bitch at me when he finds nowt else will work on the blessed thing)....
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Postby Phoenix '97 on Thu Aug 12, 2004 2:54 am

Kennyshin wrote:Toshiba SD-R5002.

Because that's the only drive limited to 2x among what I have had. :D


Has yours ever jumped down to 1x during a 2x burn? I have a few discs like that. This only seemed to happen during the summer when the room was warmer than usual. :-?
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Postby machoboy6 on Fri Aug 13, 2004 3:14 am

anybody heard of emprex? me either til i punked the drive from my friend who got it for his birthday. its this cheapo 8x drive from fry's electronic that was going for 70 bucks. i gave my friend my old pioneer 105 in exchange which was dying. the epmrex worked like a charm for about a month only. now i cant even read/burn dvds. now i have a 70 dollar cd writer.
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Postby digitaldoc on Mon Aug 16, 2004 5:16 pm

I believe the Emprex is a rebadged BTC.
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Postby BillyG on Sat Sep 11, 2004 7:38 am

Lite On 411S for me and my first DVD drive. I thought because they made great CD-RW's that they would make a killer DVD drive... :(

I had a hell of a time trying to find media that constantly worked with my and freinds home DVD players. Verbatim DVD+R's using the booksetting utility set to DVD-ROM worked the best, but I had problems with all brands of DVD-R's, even after flashing to the latest firmware.

BTW does the 411S to 811S hack improve the drive's burn quality? And can I reflash it with the latest Lite-On 811S firmwar afterwards? (if theres a thread for this let me know)

I picked up a NEC 2500a (Mad Dog Dominator 8X) and after reflashing to Herrie's hacked v107 v2b bios I've been able to burn cheap Memorex, Philips, Khypermedia (CMC) and Spin-X (Prodisc) 4x DVD+R's at 8X with no problems! :) Looks like I will be sticking with NEC drives for awhile...
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Postby Coyote on Sat Sep 11, 2004 6:15 pm

The worst DVD burner is my FIRST, the NEC 2510a. The damn thing stutters when playing DVD's and HD light stays on continously when the DVD drive is accessed. Read my new thread for more details.
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