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Which media to buy?

Postby Savage790 on Sat Dec 10, 2005 8:22 am

Theese are links to what my local dealer if offering now.
http://www.idc.com.mk/DVD-R-RW.html
http://www.idc.com.mk/DVD+R-RW.html

What would you recomend?
I should mention that I have a LG 4163 burner w/ A105 fw.
Maybe someone will notice that there is also an TY media but prices for those are too high (33% and more higher than the other types of media) so thats too much for the moment.

Thanks for the help.

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Postby Bhairav on Sat Dec 10, 2005 10:23 am

1)Ricoh R01 - excellent stuff.
2)TTH02
3)CMC AE1/AM3.
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Postby RJW on Sun Dec 11, 2005 6:50 am

Hmm your making it easy for me if this is the only store option you have.

No TY - To much fall out because of bonding issues.
No E-net products because of the questionable quality.
No B-quality brands like arita

So that leaves over one disc. Yes Philips CMC -R disc's.
Beter hope that your drive likes them. I don't know how good the LG works with this CMC media but incase it sucks hmm then your quite screwed.
You could use TY and accept up to 25% fall out rate of bad bonded disc's. :o
Hey and incase of Philips there is a waranty on the media.
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Postby Savage790 on Sun Dec 11, 2005 7:53 am

What about the RitekG05 media.
I have used this once or twice and I got good results.
But that was a TraxData, here I can only see Ritek, RiData and RiDisc media. Is this quality Ritek media or not?

I have tried some CMC MAG AE1 media (as datawrite) but it didn't gave me good results. Can this philips be better?
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Postby Gen-An on Sun Dec 11, 2005 8:26 am

RJW wrote:Hmm your making it easy for me if this is the only store option you have.

No TY - To much fall out because of bonding issues.
No E-net products because of the questionable quality.
No B-quality brands like arita

So that leaves over one disc. Yes Philips CMC -R disc's.
Beter hope that your drive likes them. I don't know how good the LG works with this CMC media but incase it sucks hmm then your quite screwed.
You could use TY and accept up to 25% fall out rate of bad bonded disc's. :o
Hey and incase of Philips there is a waranty on the media.


I'd like to see some outside information about 25% bad bonding rate with TY because it seems like you're the only one saying this. If TY was having that many problems it'd be all over the Japanese DVD burning sites since TYG02 is probably the single most popular DVD-R media in Japan.
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Postby Dartman on Sun Dec 11, 2005 1:52 pm

Many folks have problems with the newer Ritek G05 media, either it doesn't burn well or it gets bad after a period of time :( My Settop burner seems to like it so I'm hoping the bunch I have holds up OK.
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Postby TCAS on Sun Dec 11, 2005 2:31 pm

Hey look like majority of these DVD discs are "Home Made" Disc. The only one I would trust is HP one.
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Sun Dec 11, 2005 5:02 pm

Gen-An wrote:
I'd like to see some outside information about 25% bad bonding rate with TY because it seems like you're the only one saying this. If TY was having that many problems it'd be all over the Japanese DVD burning sites since TYG02 is probably the single most popular DVD-R media in Japan.


When you can rip apart the two layers of plastic with your bare hands, it's not a properly bonded disc :o

And FYI, the reason it's not more commonly known, is partially because TY is trying to keep it quiet, and partially because no one wants to admit it could be possible.
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Postby RJW on Sun Dec 11, 2005 6:04 pm

1 People don't like to test on it.
2 TY likes to keep things as quiet as possible.
3 People like to keep things quiet because it means that they probally come to the bad conclusions:
A there media isn't as safe as they liked it to be.
B Comming to the conclusion that we can't trust any manufacturer and that each buy is gamble. There is no safe option.

Okay I might be very unlucky with a rate close to 25% still as some of my great contacts have proven and with the huge variation this is not a one time incident like TY and a lot of people like to believe.
If it was a single batch then how would you explain the behaviour with that many brands and unbranded media and that different MID codes.
The problem goes up from 2x to the newer 16x and can be seen on +R and -R and it doesn't matter if it's branded,printable or not.

I'm sorry for being the messenger of the bad news that with the current prices and products we can trust no manufacturer.
Only it is a fact that some brands like to do beter as others and that some brands /manufacturers at least try to be constructive.

Ohwell these days I at least burn all my important stuff triple and non important stuff double !. Using allways different technologies and manufacturers !.
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Postby Ankerson on Fri Dec 30, 2005 8:07 pm

I Use Only TY DVD+R's and have had no problems. :lol:
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Sat Dec 31, 2005 1:31 am

Ankerson wrote:I Use Only TY DVD+R's and have had no problems. :lol:


How many discs do you test the bonding on?
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Postby Ankerson on Sat Dec 31, 2005 11:10 am

dolphinius_rex wrote:
Ankerson wrote:I Use Only TY DVD+R's and have had no problems. :lol:


How many discs do you test the bonding on?


Hmm,

I have used thousands of them with no issues at all.
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Sat Dec 31, 2005 12:38 pm

Ankerson wrote:
dolphinius_rex wrote:
Ankerson wrote:I Use Only TY DVD+R's and have had no problems. :lol:


How many discs do you test the bonding on?


Hmm,

I have used thousands of them with no issues at all.


That's not answering my question :wink:

I've never had a TY disc fail on me during a burn process either... but I *HAVE* had airbubbles kill TY discs before. Other people have had TY discs seperate when taking them out of a jewel case only.
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Postby Ankerson on Sat Dec 31, 2005 12:43 pm

dolphinius_rex wrote:
Ankerson wrote:
dolphinius_rex wrote:
Ankerson wrote:I Use Only TY DVD+R's and have had no problems. :lol:


How many discs do you test the bonding on?


Hmm,

I have used thousands of them with no issues at all.


That's not answering my question :wink:

I've never had a TY disc fail on me during a burn process either... but I *HAVE* had airbubbles kill TY discs before. Other people have had TY discs seperate when taking them out of a jewel case only.



I use them myself and have never seen any airbubbles on any of them nor have any separated.
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Sat Dec 31, 2005 2:44 pm

Ankerson wrote:
dolphinius_rex wrote:
Ankerson wrote:
dolphinius_rex wrote:
Ankerson wrote:I Use Only TY DVD+R's and have had no problems. :lol:


How many discs do you test the bonding on?


Hmm,

I have used thousands of them with no issues at all.


That's not answering my question :wink:

I've never had a TY disc fail on me during a burn process either... but I *HAVE* had airbubbles kill TY discs before. Other people have had TY discs seperate when taking them out of a jewel case only.



I use them myself and have never seen any airbubbles on any of them nor have any separated.


Good for you :wink:

And in case you're interested, my company went through ~1 million Taiyo Yuden DVD-Rs (mostly 4x, but a good portion 8x and some 16x) this year. I personally sample them from time to time to see how the bonding is doing.

Why do I mention this? I go through many MANY different batches of media over the course of a year :wink:
Punch Cards -> Paper Tape -> Tape Drive -> 8" Floppy Diskette -> 5 1/4" Floppy Diskette -> 3 1/2" "Flippy" Diskette -> CD-R -> DVD±R -> BD-R

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