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Postby TidusTheCoolest on Sun Jun 01, 2003 11:25 am

I'm going to upgrade my P4 2.4 Ghz (533Mhz FSB) to P4 3.06Ghz (800Mhz FSB) .
My current motherboard only support up to 533 Mhz FSB .
What motherboard you recomend me to change to ?
What are the current pricing and availablity of the MoBo ?
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Re: P4 with 800 Mhz FSB

Postby MonteLDS on Sun Jun 01, 2003 11:59 am

TidusTheCoolest wrote:I'm going to upgrade my P4 2.4 Ghz (533Mhz FSB) to P4 3.06Ghz (800Mhz FSB) .
My current motherboard only support up to 533 Mhz FSB .
What motherboard you recomend me to change to ?
What are the current pricing and availablity of the MoBo ?


don't you have to switch out your RAM too for this? I am going stick with my 533 just cause I wouldn't get enough out of buying the new stuff...

as of motherboard, I think that their an intel board that is out for it.
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Re: P4 with 800 Mhz FSB

Postby TidusTheCoolest on Sun Jun 01, 2003 3:13 pm

MonteLDS wrote:don't you have to switch out your RAM too for this? I am going stick with my 533 just cause I wouldn't get enough out of buying the new stuff...

as of motherboard, I think that their an intel board that is out for it.


I'll change the RAM to 1GB of PC3200 DDRAM ....
So , which MoBo is better ?
MSI MS-6728PE i865PE (got dual-DDR,AGP8X,and HTT)
or Intel I845PEBT2 i845PE (got LAN,&RAID)
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Postby Alexandrus on Sun Jun 01, 2003 3:35 pm

1. There is no P4 3.06GHz with 800MHz FSB. It's a P4 3.0C, where C stands for 800MHz FSB/512KB L2 cache, B for 533MHz FSB/512KB L2 cache and A for 400MHz FSB/512KB L2 cache. ;)
2. There are more than one model of i865PE based mobos from MSI, and the best has a lot of integrated stuff, like GbE LAN, RAID, FireWire and stuff, so choose wisely.
3. The Intel board is based on i845PE, which doesn't perform as well as the i865PE and features no dual channel, so this will make your decision a lot easier.
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Postby OC-Freak on Sun Jun 01, 2003 3:53 pm

I'm going to do a similar upgrade soon and I'll buy:

Microstar Mainboard S-478 Intel 865PE ATX Audio LAN IEEE1394 Raid SATA 800MHz. This is the model number: MS-6728/865PE NEO2-FIS2R
1 gig(2x 512) of GEiL PC3500 DDR Cas latency 2 memory
P4 2,6GHZ 800MHz bus CPU.....

That mobo sems to have everything of the newest stuff at an acceptable price.....
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Postby Alexandrus on Sun Jun 01, 2003 3:59 pm

Stay away from GeIL RAM as much as possible.
Get OCZ, Kingston, Corsair, Mushkin instead.
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Postby aviationwiz on Sun Jun 01, 2003 4:12 pm

I say stay away from OCZ. They have a bad reputation with having people give good reviews for thier products instead of un-biased ones.
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Postby Alexandrus on Sun Jun 01, 2003 4:17 pm

Check some ocing forums like AOA, XS, OCers and such, they all have a very good impression about OCZ products, and so do I. Their latest RAM modules are simply great, I can do DDR480 with 1024MB(2x512MB) of their latest PC3500 Platinum with aggressive settings(CAS 2.0 5-3-2) at only 2.70V.
The Gold series are supposed be reach DDR500 at least, but I don't have those yet so I cannot confirm.
Even their older EL DDR series are good, I got DDR470 with some EL DDR PC3500, CAS 2.0 5-2-2 at 2.90V.
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Postby Turkeyscore.com on Sun Jun 01, 2003 4:53 pm

TidusTheCoolest Said:
What motherboard you recomend me to change to ?


I like Aopen Motherboards. They have great safety features for when overclocking. (3 of my friends have the same board and it automatically shuts the computer off when it is overclocked too high.
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Postby blakerwry on Wed Jun 11, 2003 3:33 am

Just to chime in, this is the dumbest upgrade I've seen in a while... Tidus, you simply have too much cash. Maybe you should donate some to poor children in your area. Or maybe you should work less and get out more...

If I had the cash to slam down nearly $1000 on a few % performance increase I would rather build myself a new PC utilizing one of those neat shuttle lunchbox PCs. I've built 2 of em and think they're really cool. But I ahven't had the chance to add wireless keyboard/mouse.. and TV in/out on one of em...

At a minimum, instead nearly worthless CPU/RAM upgrades I'd rather convert my IDE disk subsystem to a 15k SCSI OS and App drive with a huge, fast, IDE bulk storage drive. That's somewhere where I would notice the performance difference.
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Postby TidusTheCoolest on Wed Jun 11, 2003 4:56 am

blakerwry wrote:Just to chime in, this is the dumbest upgrade I've seen in a while... If I had the cash to slam down nearly $1000 on a few % performance increase I would rather build myself a new PC utilizing one of those neat shuttle lunchbox PCs.


I already changed my mind and not going to upgrade . I'm going to built a new PC ....
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Postby CowboySlim on Wed Jun 11, 2003 11:57 am

TTC,

I buy nothing but Kingston and Crucial. Just look to your upper right for the Crucial ad and click through (turn your ad filter off).

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Postby Morpheus on Thu Jun 12, 2003 2:33 am

I have heard that Intel is releasing the 3.2 Ghz C at the end of June. As for motherboards I get the SIS655 ( I have the SIS645DX model from ASUS ) - its dual channel DDR333 ( with unofficial DDR400 support ) with the 800MHz FSB and it has a lot of extras. I'm waiting for the next model which might be out at the end of the year or this time next year. I have the 2.53 Ghz B so I'll upgrade the cpu at that time, as for ram, I thought ahead and bought 2 dimms of Corsair's XMS DDR400 512MB ( 1 GB total ) because I knew that dual channel DDR was coming.
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Postby Kennyshin on Sun Jun 29, 2003 3:25 am

Either 2.4C or 2.6C seems best for most users that want performance at a reasonable cost. Celeron 2.6 is also available now which should do for most of the rest. (For those who want more should consider dual.)

SiS and VIA failed to ship chipsets with built-in Serial ATA by the end of 2002. They even failed to ship them before Intel. Intel was the first to make Gigabit, Serial ATA, Dual Channel DDR400, RAID, USB 2.0, and so on standard on mainstream PC motherboards.

I have one 865 board (Albatron) but it has just two Serial ATA ports, 100Mbps LAN, and no IEEE 1394.
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Postby blakerwry on Sun Jun 29, 2003 5:17 am

Kennyshin wrote:Intel was the first to make Gigabit, Serial ATA, Dual Channel DDR400, RAID, USB 2.0, and so on standard on mainstream PC motherboards.



Gigabit? getting there.... not standard yet. S-ATA... maybe... still getting there too.

Dual channel DDR? certainly not... RAID??? HAHAHAH.. No.

USB2.. hmm... don't remember that one... I'd say it was about equal between mobo makers of NVidia, VIA, and intel chipsets.
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Postby Kennyshin on Sun Jun 29, 2003 2:29 pm

blakerwry wrote:
Kennyshin wrote:Intel was the first to make Gigabit, Serial ATA, Dual Channel DDR400, RAID, USB 2.0, and so on standard on mainstream PC motherboards.



Gigabit? getting there.... not standard yet. S-ATA... maybe... still getting there too.

Dual channel DDR? certainly not... RAID??? HAHAHAH.. No.

USB2.. hmm... don't remember that one... I'd say it was about equal between mobo makers of NVidia, VIA, and intel chipsets.


Maybe you have different understanding of standards then.

All of those things were first become standard on Intel mainboards equipped with Intel chipsets.

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Postby blakerwry on Wed Jul 02, 2003 4:46 am

RAID started to become a standard feature on PC boards with the kx133 chipset (this is a slot Athlon) At this time intel's 440BX chipset and i810 chipset were the competition. Granted, onboard RAID was implemented via a 3rd party chip on the PCI bus (highpoint or promise were the popular ones) By the kt333 i'd say RAID become pretty much standard.

Gigabit is becoming a standard feature on motherboards, within the next year or so I think it will be common place on new boards. But the vast majority of boards still come with 10/100 NICs. Similar situation with S-ATA, most board makers have S-ATA and non S-ATA boards, but by the next generation of mobos I think this will be a standard feature.

Dual Channel DDR was brought to us by Nvidia's 1st Nforce... I don't see any argument about that... Nforce2 officially supported DDR400 in dual channel config.
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Postby Vilzu on Fri Aug 15, 2003 11:15 am

I chose Asus P4P800 Deluxe - it has all the features a home user needs and superb performance and reliability. And the price is very affordable since it is a 865PE MoBo (i don´t see any advantages paying more for a 875 MoBo since P4P800 has PAT too and i will not buy ECC memories as they have no advantages in home use). I´m using Kingston ValueRAM DDR400 CL2.5 512MB memories in dual channel (2 * KVR400X64C25/512). I´ve been very satisfied after flashing 1009 BIOS.
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