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12 year old, Christopher Pittman, kills his grandparents

Postby imtim83 on Sun Aug 21, 2005 12:07 pm

12 year old, Christopher Pittman, kills his grandparents by shooting them with a shotgun very close twice each in mouth. Then starts a fire for the house to burn down. He then drives away in their truck after stealing some money and shotguns


http://www.christopherpittman.org/ (Just want to make sure you know I am not agreeing with that site. It was just to make sure people knew I was telling the truth of the story. )

It really is hard to believe how this can happen but I really don't know what to believe anymore. I mean if this drug does causes this that he was on how come so many other people didn't have the same side effects?

How could he know he had to get rid of evident as well after shotting his two grandparents in the mouth closeup twice each ?

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Postby burninfool on Sun Aug 21, 2005 12:44 pm

This story is sad and makes me angry because trial lawyers will use any excuse to get money or get their client off.It's like Vioxx medicine,a few people died while using it but they had prior medical conditions.No drug is safe for 100% of the population but for 99% it is.Antibiotics are another example,some people have an allergic reaction but for the majority it's safe and effective.Trial lawyers use that 1% to make hundreds of millions of dollars.
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Postby imtim83 on Sun Aug 21, 2005 12:45 pm

So do you think this 12 year old is a cold blooded killer?

I do.
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Postby burninfool on Sun Aug 21, 2005 12:49 pm

imtim83 wrote:So do you think this 12 year old is a cold blooded killer?


Yes,he had a horrible childhood but that doesn't excuse him from murder.
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Postby imtim83 on Sun Aug 21, 2005 12:55 pm

burninfool wrote:
imtim83 wrote:So do you think this 12 year old is a cold blooded killer?


Yes,he had a horrible childhood but that doesn't excuse him from murder.


Exactly!

The thing I don't understand is how a 12 year old can kill two adults so easily without feeling any emotion at all ? I mean its unthinkable to even imagine that it could happen. I mean there is no words to even say to beable to talk about it or fix the problem.

What would you do if your son or daughter did this? I am not sure what I would do. I would be shocked.
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Postby dodecahedron on Sun Aug 21, 2005 3:28 pm

burninfool wrote:It's like Vioxx medicine,a few people died while using it but they had prior medical conditions.No drug is safe for 100% of the population but for 99% it is.Antibiotics are another example,some people have an allergic reaction but for the majority it's safe and effective.Trial lawyers use that 1% to make hundreds of millions of dollars.

and then what happens is that this hurts the entire population.
you can be cynical and say this money is less to the pockets of the owners/shareholders, but that's not the way it will really work out. it means less money for research. and most people have no idea of the enormous amount of money it takes to develop a new medicine.
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Postby dodecahedron on Sun Aug 21, 2005 3:30 pm

burninfool wrote:
imtim83 wrote:So do you think this 12 year old is a cold blooded killer?


Yes,he had a horrible childhood but that doesn't excuse him from murder.

OK so if a small kid, let's say 6 years old, kills someone, let's say he plays with his dad's gun and kills another kid. or worse, he gets mad at another kid (they fight over toys) takes his dad's gun and kills the other kid. is he a cold blooded killer?

so where do you draw the line?

if the facts in that website are true, and he was under the infludence of psychiatric drugs, i don't know if i can hold him to blame for what he did.
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Postby wicked1 on Sun Aug 21, 2005 4:10 pm

I would sentance that boy to life without parole. Did our country go easy on Sasddam Hussein since he had a bad childhood?Adolf Hitler?or more down to earth Charles Manson? He had a rough life and was on LSD. It would be a little different as well if hadnt shot them multiple times and then tried to burn the evidence up and flee. He was on a SSRI antidepressant. Big deal.I take a rather large cocktail of pills a day including prozac,wellbutrin,lithium,remeron, zyprexa,clonazepam and abuterol. I happen to have quite a temper when I was on steroids prescribed to me after surgery and for my lungs. Do I blame the pharmaceutical company and say it was their fault I tried to stab a guy in the leg?No. Its pretty bad when an ANTIDEPRESSANT company has to put on their labels as a side effect a chance of suicide. No sH*t? A DEPRESSED person with a chance of suicide? #-o People snap me and my wife both have before. You cant blame your actions on a drug or medication because the acts you commit are acts that are in your mind to begin with not just magically transplanted there because of a pil (Disasociative Hallucinogens excluded aka PCP,Ketamine and DXM). Yeah raising your serotonin a little bit might make you edgier but you wont do anything that you werent perfectly capable of without it. He is a stone cold killer. Life without parole is my vote and thats only because he was 12 when it happened otherwirse I'd say death row.

edit:Hitler was on an unknown at the time drug Methadone as well as methamphetamines as were alot of his troops. Sure didnt excuse them from executions when Germany fell.
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Postby imtim83 on Sun Aug 21, 2005 4:22 pm

wicked1 wrote:I would sentance that boy to life without parole. Did our country go easy on Sasddam Hussein since he had a bad childhood?Adolf Hitler?or more down to earth Charles Manson? He had a rough life and was on LSD. It would be a little different as well if hadnt shot them multiple times and then tried to burn the evidence up and flee. He was on a SSRI antidepressant. Big deal.I take a rather large cocktail of pills a day including prozac,wellbutrin,lithium,remeron, zyprexa,clonazepam and abuterol. I happen to have quite a temper when I was on steroids prescribed to me after surgery and for my lungs. Do I blame the pharmaceutical company and say it was their fault I tried to stab a guy in the leg?No. Its pretty bad when an ANTIDEPRESSANT company has to put on their labels as a side effect a chance of suicide. No sH*t? A DEPRESSED person with a chance of suicide? #-o People snap me and my wife both have before. You cant blame your actions on a drug or medication because the acts you commit are acts that are in your mind to begin with not just magically transplanted there because of a pil (Disasociative Hallucinogens excluded aka PCP,Ketamine and DXM). Yeah raising your serotonin a little bit might make you edgier but you wont do anything that you werent perfectly capable of without it. He is a stone cold killer. Life without parole is my vote and thats only because he was 12 when it happened otherwirse I'd say death row.

edit:Hitler was on an unknown at the time drug Methadone as well as methamphetamines as were alot of his troops. Sure didnt excuse them from executions when Germany fell.


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Postby TheWizard on Mon Aug 22, 2005 1:20 am

As wicked1 pointed out, pharmaceutical companies are increasing warnings that anti-depressants may cause heightened feelings of suicide, especially in teenagers. http://www.christopherpittman.org is largely blaming the anti-depressants for Chris's behavior, and I don't buy it. Again, anti-depressants have shown heightened feelings of suicide not homicide. Chris is guilty, he deserves all the punishment he received and that which is coming to him.

It's unfortunate what happened to his parents, but you don't need parents to tell you that killing is wrong.
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Postby guest05 on Thu Sep 08, 2005 4:39 pm

I have researched this case extensively and I firmly believe that the drugs adversely affected this child. It is my belief that the pharmaceutical companies knew of the propensity for this type of rage in a small minority of people and chose to cover up that information in their studies and market the drugs without informing consumers. A child of twelve who is told to take a medicine that is to help him is not going to readily understand that he is experiencing severe adverse reactions. This particular child had no history of hostile or aggressive behavior prior to his use of SSRIs. The drug blunted his emotional response. In clarification, the shots that struck his grandparents were directed into a darkened room and not directly into the mouth of his sleeping grandfather although, sadly, that is where they hit him. His grandmother was hit in the back of her head. In recounting his actions for the authorities, the fire was set to give him “lead time” because he did not want to return to his home in Florida. Again, it is my belief that if he realized all of what he was doing, he would be fearing something far greater than a return to his Florida home. His aunt, whose parents were the victims, has recounted other bizarre behavior during the “escape” attempt that was never brought out in trial. In addition, these particular drugs are not recommended for use in children and are prescribed for conditions besides depression such as: stomach problems, migraines, anxiety, sleep aids. So it is inaccurate to assume that the suicides/homicides that occur while on this medication can be traced back to depression.
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Postby Ian on Thu Sep 08, 2005 5:14 pm

guest05 wrote:In clarification, the shots that struck his grandparents were directed into a darkened room and not directly into the mouth of his sleeping grandfather although, sadly, that is where they hit him. His grandmother was hit in the back of her head.


It must be a coincidence that a 12 year old kid with a shotgun could shoot into a darkened room and hit both of his grandparents in the head. :roll:

Sorry.. I don't buy it that it was the drugs. He was thinking clearly enough to a) burn the house to cover his tracks and b) steal guns, money and a truck to make his escape. Blunted emotions or not.. you still know what is right and wrong.
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