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Postby hoxlund on Wed Jan 22, 2003 1:03 pm

Man all you need to pipe down, just buy TY cd-r's, you sound like customers in my best buy store

Ooh i can't use that media, plextor told me not to, man fuc that

Just buy TY you'll be better off

and use that media checker program from Lite-On, works with any drive ive thrown at it so far, Buy any memorex that says Made In Japan, there TY!!!!!!!!!
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Postby TheWizard on Thu Jan 23, 2003 12:06 am

You say to buy only TY then you say use the media checker that Lite-On provides. Well, if you buy only TY media and know it is TY based on the "Made in Japan" statement then why would you ever need to use the media checker? Your argument is contradictory.
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Postby hoxlund on Thu Jan 23, 2003 12:14 am

im was just telling others to use it, to see what there discs are
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Postby TheWizard on Thu Jan 23, 2003 2:09 am

This is true, but the point of this thread is to decipher which media is which BEFORE a purchase is made. That is why we went into great detail pointing out how different manufacturers package their CD's.
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Postby jase on Thu Jan 23, 2003 7:19 am

Hoxlund, please bear in mind that not everyone lives in the good ol' US of A (more's the pity if your media prices are anything to go by....).

If you could show me where to get 1,000,000,000 TY CDRs in the UK for $1.00 I'd be delighted. Problem is it doesn't seem to work that way here. The only TY media I come across is Sony, (..... well, just Sony really!!!) at vastly overinflated prices. Threads like this are very useful if only to teach people how to avoid the dreaded CMC ;)
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Postby hoxlund on Thu Jan 23, 2003 8:01 am

buy anything that says made in japan for memorex, or buy any fuji

and if you have media already, use the media checking program from Lite-On, works with non-liteon drives
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Postby dodecahedron on Thu Jan 23, 2003 3:35 pm

hoxlund wrote:buy anything that says made in japan for memorex, or buy any fuji

in the states there are very strict rules about business etc.

if i find any mention of where the CDs were produced on the package i count myself lucky...most of the times i don't.

and when i do - it's not made in Japan - guess i'm not lucky after all!

no Fuji here :x :evil:
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Postby goden99 on Wed Mar 05, 2003 9:38 pm

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These are Princo 80 Min CDs made in Taiwan, Are they TYs ?



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Postby BuddhaTB on Wed Mar 05, 2003 9:52 pm

goden99 wrote:These are Princo 80 Min CDs made in Taiwan, Are they TYs ?

TY disc are only made in Japan. Your Princo disc are made by either ProDisc or CMC.
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Postby goden99 on Wed Mar 05, 2003 11:50 pm

If you can't see the picture please copy paste this link in a new window and put a SPACE at end of link then push enter (GEocities protection)
http://www.geocities.com/jobodo2000/Princo80.JPG

From the circle thing like the post before doesn't it mean there TYs ?
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Postby cfitz on Thu Mar 06, 2003 12:44 am

Well, the inner ring is frosted, which is a characterstic of TY media, but the serial number doesn't look right:

http://www.cdrlabs.com/phpBB/viewtopic. ... 6073#46073

And the coloring is wrong (assuming you are showing the bottom side of the disc). It is much too light. TY uses cyanine dye, which is a darker blue-green than what you show.

Why don't you put the disc in your drive, run CD Speed, select "Extra"->"Disc Info" and tell us the ATIP information? Alternatively, use CD Identifier or SMART-BURN (the program, not the technology). That should end the speculation.

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Postby goden99 on Thu Mar 06, 2003 1:58 am

if you can point me to SMART-BURN (the program) I can't seem to find it anywhere.

Is there a Dye type list (best to worst)

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ATIP: 97m 27s 27f
Disc Manufacturer: Princo Co.
Recording layer: Dye (Short strategy; e.g. Phthalocyanine)
Media Type: CD-Recordable
Nominal Capacity: 702.83MB (79min 59s 74f / LBA:359849)

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Nero Cd Speed

Manufacturer: Princo
Code: 97m27s28f
Disc Type: CD-R
Usage: General
Recording Layer: Dye Type 8: Short Strategy (Phthalocyanine)
Capacity: 79:59.74. 703Mb
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Postby cfitz on Thu Mar 06, 2003 2:06 am

Well, there you go. It's Princo media. And phthalocyanine, as I suspected. Wasn't that easier than posting a photo? :wink: 8)

goden99 wrote:if you can point me to SMART-BURN (the program) I can't seem to find it anywhere.

http://www.liteonit.com.tw/zip/SMARTBURN.zip

(from http://www.liteonit.com.tw/english/index-english.htm )

goden99 wrote:Is there a Dye type list (best to worst)

Not best and worst, just different, each with its own strengths and weaknesses:

http://www.cdrlabs.com/phpBB/viewtopic. ... 2318#42318

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Postby hoxlund on Thu Mar 06, 2003 2:07 am

are there any weaknesses to TY discs? maybe easier to smudge up and scratch, cause of the really nice dye they use on the back
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Postby cfitz on Thu Mar 06, 2003 2:24 am

TY uses cyanine data, as I mentioned above, so the comments relating to cyanine dye in the link I gave also apply to TY.

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Postby hoxlund on Thu Mar 06, 2003 2:30 am

30-70 year life, i can live with that, by the time that rolls around ill have all my cd images stored inside my brain

and whenever you wanted a cd image or data, just touch heads like the coneheads do :P
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Postby cfitz on Thu Mar 06, 2003 2:43 am

Of course, all of these figures are extrapolations, and are based on properly stored discs. So don't see 30-70 years and think you can leave your discs lying out in the sun, heat and humidity. If you do have an application where the discs might be exposed to direct sunlight, heat and humidity (e.g. discs for your car's CD player), the phthalocyanine discs might give you a practical improvement in lifetime.

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Postby hoxlund on Thu Mar 06, 2003 2:56 am

ohh i know, i don't keep disc's in direct sunlight, just sitting in my four 224 disc album
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Postby goden99 on Thu Mar 06, 2003 2:59 am

Thanks :)

Mitsui aren't that expensive here.
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Postby Pio2001 on Tue Apr 22, 2003 1:07 pm

hoxlund wrote:buy any fuji


That's what I've just done : Fujifilm 700 MB, 1-32x multispeed CD-R. Made in Germany

ATIP: 97m 26s 45f
Disc Manufacturer: FUJI Photo Film Co., Ltd.
Reflective layer: Dye (Short strategy; e.g. Phthalocyanine)
Media type: CD-Recordable
Recording Speeds: min. unknown - max. unknown
nominal Capacity: 702.83MB (79m 59s 74f / LBA: 359849)

They're not Tayo Yuden.
I've not tested them yet.

The 10 pieces boxes, certified 52x, were also made in Germany.
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Postby Pio2001 on Tue Apr 22, 2003 1:48 pm

Test done. Yamaha CRW3200.

24x : focus or tracking error - the writing aborts at about 1/3rd of the CD.
16x OK. CDSpeed quality check with Memorex DVDMaxx 1648 : >30000 errors, some red bars once 48x is reached.

I gave up and switched to Fnac Gold. 24x burning OK, CDSpeed zero errors, reaches 50x.

Don't just trust Fuji. They can be good, or bad.
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Postby hoxlund on Tue Apr 22, 2003 2:16 pm

you have to buy made in japan fuji, to get Tayio Yuden cd-rs, there are the best media all around
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Postby bmaz on Wed Apr 23, 2003 1:04 am

Does anyone know who is the OEM for these CD-Rs from Samsung?

A quick Google turned up the name Intenso, anyone familiar with this name?

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Postby MediumRare on Wed Apr 23, 2003 3:04 am

Pio2001 wrote:That's what I've just done : Fujifilm 700 MB, 1-32x multispeed CD-R. Made in Germany

Most Fuji media available here is from Fuji (like you found out). If you live in Europe, have a look at InstantInfo. This is a German site, but has some validity in the rest of Europe too, and e.g. Israel. It's not always up to date, but is quite useful. I got jumped on :wink: a while ago for not mentioning this site earlier (see http://www.cdrlabs.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=9715), so for now I'll err in repitition rather than omission. :D

bmaz wrote:A quick Google turned up the name Intenso, anyone familiar with this name?

Intenso is a German reseller and does not produce its own disks, definitely not the source of your Samsungs. I've had various media from Intenso- the last ones I bought were some very good 24-rated Prodiscs (no longer available) that are fine at 48x.

See InstantInfo, you can use the Extended Search option to find out more.

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Re: Info for Europeans

Postby dodecahedron on Wed Apr 23, 2003 4:23 am

MediumRare wrote:I got jumped on :wink: a while ago for not mentioning this site earlier (see http://www.cdrlabs.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=9715), so for now I'll err in repitition rather than omission. :D

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