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General discussion about recordable CD, DVD and BD media and write quality testing.

Postby TheWizard on Tue Nov 18, 2003 4:04 am

Haven't tried the Fuji/Prodiscs yet, but overall, I like Prodisc. Thanks, David!
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Postby David on Thu Nov 20, 2003 9:21 pm

All media burned with Benq4824W C.FZ and scanned 100% green.

Branded Fuji rated at 48x
Manufacturer : Taiyo Yuden
Disc Type : CD-R
Recording Layer : Dye Type 1: Long Strategy (Cyanine, AZO)
Capacity : 79:59.72 703 MB

Burned at 48x 100% Green
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Branded Fuji rated at 48x
Manufacturer : Prodisc
Recording Layer : Dye Type 9: Short Strategy (Phthalocyanine)
Capacity : 79:59.72 703 MB

Burned at 40x
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Branded Verbatim DLP rated at 48x
Manufacturer : Mitsubishi
Code : 97m34s23f
Disc Type : CD-R
Recording Layer : Dye Type 3: Long Strategy (Cyanine, AZO)
Capacity : 79:59.72 703 MB

Burned at 40x Mutch better results than burning at 48x see ne next scan below.
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Burned at 48x Did not scan 100% green
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In a few days I'm going to flash this drive with the latest firmware hopfully it'll allow 48x burning on Verbatim DLP and the Fuji Prodiscs.
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Postby TheWizard on Thu Nov 20, 2003 10:09 pm

Very interesting! Side by side results for some of the top media...well...Prodisc isn't tops, but I'm glad you included it in this test to see how it compared to TY and Mitsubishi. :) Good work!
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Postby MediumRare on Fri Nov 28, 2003 5:38 pm

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LiteOn LTR 48246S
Firmware SS0B...........MMore/MBI 90min 48X.....................24X

ATIP from SmartBurn 3.1.4:
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        Drive Type = CD-RW   
         Disc Type = CDR
          Material = Phthalocyanine
           Lead In = 97:17:06
          Lead Out = 10:02:00
  Nominal Capacity = 87.89MB
Manufacturer Maybe = Moser Baer India Limited
SMART-BURN Speed Limit = 48X (Write)

This was a "bonus" in a pack of 10 80 min. discs and is my first try at "overburning" in that it's a 90 min disc. I put a show recorded from TV on one of these because it just fit. CD-Speed surface scan was all green, but KProbe @max (=32x for VCD) showed some C2's: max/mean: 47/.06 C1 max/mean: 49/1.75.
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A second KProbe scan @24x didn't show the peak- the C1-rate was flat. The quality test was similar to the KProbe scan @max (it didn't slow down at the end either). The C1-rate is about double that for 80 min discs. Because of the C2's at the end, I wouldn't want to use these at a higher speed, but will drop to 16x on the next burn.

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TY on 52327S

Postby XIII on Sat Nov 29, 2003 11:53 am

I finally was able to buy some TY in the Netherlands (100 for 45 euro).

These are the results for my LiteOn LTR-52327S (firmware Q0B):

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        Drive Type = CD-RW   
         Disc Type = CDR
          Material = Cyanine
           Lead In = 97:24:01
          Lead Out = 79:59:72
  Nominal Capacity = 702.83MB
Manufacturer Maybe = Taiyo Yuden Company Limited
SMART-BURN Speed Limit = 52X (Write)

LITE-ON LTR-52327S     
Drive Type   = CD-RW   
Disc Type    = CDR (A+)             
Lead In      = 97:24:01
Lead Out     = 79:59:72
Nominal      = 702.83MB (79m 59s 72f/LBA:359847)
Manufacturer = Taiyo Yuden Company Limited
Cur. Speed   = Wrt(52X),Rd(12X)


100% OK with CD speed at 52x, altough burning did slow down halfway (you could actually hear it), finishing at only 39x.

This was the first disc, I hope this does not happen with all 100, because I paid rather much for them, compared to other brands working reasonably fine on my LiteOn
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Postby TheWizard on Sat Nov 29, 2003 11:02 pm

Thank you, MediumRare and XIII. :)

XIII: Are those TY discs unbranded (plain silver tops) or are they actually branded as TY?
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Unbranded TY

Postby XIII on Tue Dec 02, 2003 4:02 pm

TheWizard wrote:Are those TY discs unbranded (plain silver tops) or are they actually branded as TY?


Unbranded (plain silver tops).
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MMore/MBI 90min Multispeed

Postby MediumRare on Thu Dec 11, 2003 5:35 pm

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LiteOn LTR 48246S
Firmware SS0B...........MMore/MBI 90min multispeed .............40X

I picked up some more of these 90 min/800 MiB discs (they're "Multispeed", not 48x) to play around with, and am pleasantly surprised. I burned the same compilation as previously and stepped up to 48x via 32x and 40x. 32x seems to be the sweet spot (C1 max/mean: 18/2.0), but they're good to 40x (C1 max/mean: 28/4.6). 48x showed a single yellow sector in CD-Speed and 16 C2 errors at 86 min. with KProbe (C1 max/mean: 29/4.1). The C2's show up independent of the scan speed. Nero also slowed to 40x at the end of the burn (which may have produced the C2's), so 48x is pushing it too far.

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Postby TheWizard on Fri Dec 12, 2003 12:05 am

I guess 90min discs don't have to necessarily be burned at a slower speed to maintain quality. That's good to know. Thanks, MediumRare. :)
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Postby Bhairav on Thu Dec 18, 2003 9:39 am

Drive : Pioneer DVR-106 DVDRW
Firmware = 1.07 RPC1/Ripspeed 12X from http://kickme.to/pioneerdvd

Media
1) HP 24X
ATIP: 97m 24s 01f
Disc Manufacturer: Taiyo Yuden Company Ltd.
Reflective layer: Dye (Long strategy; e.g. Cyanine, Azo etc.)
Media type: CD-Recordable
Recording Speeds: min. unknown - max. unknown
nominal Capacity: 702.83MB (79m 59s 73f / LBA: 359848)

Burnt at 16X
ScanDisc = 100% green.

2)Frontech 48X
Frontech 48X Professional.
ATIP: 97m 26s 07f
Disc Manufacturer: Fornet International Pte Ltd.
Reflective layer: Dye (Short strategy; e.g. Phthalocyanine)
Media type: CD-Recordable
Recording Speeds: min. unknown - max. unknown
nominal Capacity: 702.82MB (79m 59s 71f / LBA: 359846)

Burnt At : 16X
100% green in ScanDisc.
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Postby TheWizard on Fri Dec 19, 2003 4:14 am

Ooh, ahh! Our first Pioneer results! Thanks, bhairavp! Keep 'em coming! :)
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Postby casey on Sun Dec 21, 2003 12:31 pm

LG GSA 4040b
Verbatim 48x (data life plus) Made in India burned @ 24x 100% error free CD Speed 2.11
Maxell 48x Hitachi/Maxell burned @ 24x 100% error free CD Speed 2.11
TDK GOLD 48x Ritek burned @ 24x 100% error free CD Speed 2.11
Maxell 40x Hitachi/Maxell burned @24x 100% error free CD Speed 2.11
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Postby TheWizard on Tue Dec 23, 2003 4:56 am

Thanks, casey! Do you happen to know the firmware version of the drive?
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Postby casey on Tue Dec 23, 2003 8:18 am

I have 2 Writers, both tested.
1 = A300
2 = A301
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Does anybody remember this media ??

Postby casey on Wed Dec 24, 2003 1:34 am

Writer LG 8525b Firm 1.01
Kodak CDR Ultima 1x - 12x 650 meg Part No 2E3462 Made in Ireland
Burn at 40x error free in above writer !!
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Postby TheWizard on Wed Dec 24, 2003 5:38 am

No surprise there, Kodak discs rule. Thanks again, casey. :)
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Postby casey on Wed Dec 24, 2003 8:17 am

LG 8525b Firm 1.01
Maxell 48x
Hitachi/Maxell
52x 100% error free

Benq 48x Gold
Acer
52x 100% error free

Sony 48x
Sony CDQ80S1
40x 100% error free

Verbatim 48x Super Azo
Mitsubisi
52x 100% error free
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Postby TheWizard on Wed Dec 24, 2003 7:11 pm

You're crazy, casey, but I like it! :)
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Postby casey on Thu Dec 25, 2003 12:19 pm

and I was bored this morning so here we are.......

LG 8525b firm 1.01
Brand: HP - 24x - 80 min: Manuf. TY - Burn @ 48x
Brand: Imation - 48x - 80 min: Manuf. CMC - Burn @ 52x
Brand: Acer Gold - 40x - 80 min: Manuf. Acer - Burn @ 52x
Brand: Maxell - 40x - 80min: Manuf. Hitachi/Maxell - Burn @ 52x
Brand: TDK - Multi Speed - 80min: Manuf. Ritek - Burn @ 52x
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Thu Dec 25, 2003 4:20 pm

casey, are you still using CD Speed to check for 100% green in the scan disc?
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Postby casey on Thu Dec 25, 2003 4:33 pm

Yes allways.
These I have checked with CD Speed ver 2.11 using the following units:
Checked on the 8525b it was writted on.
Checked on my Toshiba 1612
Checked on my LG GDR 8161b
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Postby casey on Thu Dec 25, 2003 4:43 pm

more on the subject, I burned some other disc's this morning:
Hp - 16x - Manufact by. Tayo Yuden @ 40x, results were:
8525b yellow blocks .42%
Toshiba 1612 yellow blocks .11%
LG GDR 8161b pass 100%

I just did the following:
Sony - 16x - Manufact. by Sony @ 24x, results were:
LG 8525b pass 100%
Toshiba 1612 yellow blocks 1.16%
LG GDR 8161b pass 100% so
I SEE THEM AS FAILING, This is how strict/prescise I do the test.
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Postby casey on Thu Dec 25, 2003 4:47 pm

another bad one this morning:
Sony CDQ80N2 - 24x - Manuf. Sony @ 48x results:
LG 8525b yellow 25.5%
Toshiba 1612 yellow 2.22%
LG GDR8161b yellow 17.74%

BURNING SOFTWARE:
Roxio 6 ver 6.2.1.110 which I love using by the way !!!!
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Postby TheWizard on Sat Dec 27, 2003 1:21 am

casey: Would it be possible to try burning the HP 16X at 32X and see if they are 100% green with the GCE-8525B? Also, do the same with the other failing discs please, just lower the writing speed a bit (i.e. Sony 16X at 16X, Sony 24X at 40X...but probably better at 32X or 24X). Much appreciated!
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Postby casey on Sat Dec 27, 2003 2:01 am

Hallo again, Mr Wizard, ok I have done your tests:
LG 8525b
Brand: HP - 16x - 80 min: Manuf. TY - Burn @ 32x
Brand: Sony (CDQ 80N1)- 16x - 80 min: Manuf. Sony - Burn @ 24x
Brand: Sony (CDQ 80N2)- 24x - 80 min: Manuf. Sony - Burn @ 32x
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