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Who is your choice for President of the US?

John Kerry
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George W. Bush
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Neither.. both suck!
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POLL: Unofficial Presidential Election vote (poll)

Postby VEFF on Sun Oct 31, 2004 7:43 pm

With voting for the next President of the US only two days away, I thought it might be interesting to have an unofficial vote/poll here and then see how it matches with the official results (popular, not electoral, vote) on Tuesday.

Who is your choice for President?
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Postby Ian on Sun Oct 31, 2004 7:53 pm

Keep it civil...
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Postby Boba_Fett on Sun Oct 31, 2004 8:04 pm

Woohoo! First vote for Bush! Too bad the forum members around here seem predominately liberal :-? I have a bad feeling like we are going to see more of a close race than last time. I really hope Kerry loses bad...
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Postby leg4li2ed0pe on Sun Oct 31, 2004 8:09 pm

I'd like to see a Nader precidency but since thats not going to happen I would vote for kerry (if I wasn't 16).
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Postby VEFF on Sun Oct 31, 2004 9:03 pm

Ian wrote:Keep it civil...


Yes, please. :)
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Postby VEFF on Sun Oct 31, 2004 9:05 pm

Boba_Fett wrote:Woohoo! First vote for Bush! Too bad the forum members around here seem predominately liberal :-? I have a bad feeling like we are going to see more of a close race than last time. I really hope Kerry loses bad...


How many votes was it for Kerry when you voted?
I am asking because it is now Bush 7 vs. Kerry 4...

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Postby MonteLDS on Sun Oct 31, 2004 9:41 pm

all the silent people who aren't so open about opening their voice are voting
I voted for Bush
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Postby Spazmogen on Mon Nov 01, 2004 9:01 am

I voted Bush.

Each is as bad as the other:
(Bush) He's the known evil that the world already knows.
Kerry is the unknown evil the world has yet to know.
Taken from an international perspective (Canadian Eh!)



Lets hope it doesn't have to go to the Supreme Court this time around.

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Postby jase on Mon Nov 01, 2004 9:10 am

I'm guessing I'm excluded from this one, since it's none of my business :)
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Postby ItalianJob on Mon Nov 01, 2004 9:34 am

I vote Kerry.

The world is more unsure with Bush... with his crew, he lies to us everyday. I hope america will wake up a day, before world war III.
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Postby liteonrules on Mon Nov 01, 2004 10:17 am

JOHN KERRY.
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Postby Ian on Mon Nov 01, 2004 11:23 am

ItalianJob wrote:I hope america will wake up a day, before world war III.


WWIII is already here. It's just not fought on battlefields...
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Postby oslik3 on Mon Nov 01, 2004 12:13 pm

I voted "not Bush"

Unfortunately, all the national polls showing 48% vs 49% or whatever for one of the candidates or another do not really matter.

Because of the [archaic, stupid, outdated ?] Electoral College system, the election and possibly fate of millions will be decided by a few hundred people in one of the "swing" states.

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Postby VEFF on Mon Nov 01, 2004 1:45 pm

jase wrote:I'm guessing I'm excluded from this one, since it's none of my business :)


I was going to mention last night that anyone could vote;
it may skew the results just a little bit if people from outside the US vote, but it isn't scientific anyway...
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Postby JamieW on Mon Nov 01, 2004 3:17 pm

Ian, how are we in WW3 already? Is it a food fight in the cafeterias of the UN? We aren't in WW3, nor are we really anywhere near it. This happens every 4 years.

"Oh man, these are the worst two candidates ever!."

People should just chill and go vote.
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Postby burninfool on Mon Nov 01, 2004 4:42 pm

Where is the "Neither" option?
I hope Bush wins just to piss off the rest of the world(and Michael Moore). :lol:
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New Direction

Postby steelly on Mon Nov 01, 2004 4:47 pm

Vote for Kerry; this country needs a new direction in both economic and foriegn policy! :roll:
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Postby LoneWolf on Mon Nov 01, 2004 5:29 pm

Can someone add a "Neither"?

I think whoever made the poll forgot about Nader, Cobb (Green Party) and Badnarik (Libertarian) as well as the fact that some of us may write in candidates. I'd appreciate adding at least a "Neither" option if we can't add all the additional candidates. Neither Kerry nor Bush deserve my vote and they won't be getting it.

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Re: New Direction

Postby MonteLDS on Mon Nov 01, 2004 6:47 pm

steelly wrote:Vote for Kerry; this country needs a new direction in both economic and foriegn policy! :roll:


i don't think any president has a lot of power over the economy. and when you bring up foriegn policy all i hear now is "I vote for osma for president"

as for people who want neither, just withhold your vote, that seems to be just the same as throwing it away

as for oslik3 and what was said that a few hundrad people in a swing state really determines who wins, i sadly agree. It ticks me off though! I hate that it is that way. My vote in CA seems to mean nothing. 55 electorial votes are going to kerry. Thus neither of these 2 guys will come here other than to pick up their money.

Both Kerry & Bush came to the bay area only for fund raisers. They talked had dinner and took their money with them.
California alone does so much yet we seem to mean so little. No respect.

if CA was a swing state FL & Ohio would hardly matter
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Postby MediumRare on Mon Nov 01, 2004 7:02 pm

People- go out and really vote. It's important! If you don't like any of the candidates, write in someone else (even Boy George) or spoil your ballot but make your presence noticed. Democracy lives by the voice of the people. Make sure the lawyers don't decide!

As a Canadian in Europe, I've been effectively disenfranchised for 30 years (I think you make an X to vote :wink:) and would love to have a say in anything! I won't vote in this one, though (although I have my preferences).

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Postby Ian on Mon Nov 01, 2004 8:54 pm

JamieW wrote:Ian, how are we in WW3 already? Is it a food fight in the cafeterias of the UN?


The Autobots vs. the Decepticons. What do you think I was talking about? :-s

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Postby hoxlund on Tue Nov 02, 2004 1:54 am

well since im not voting this year, im 21 btw

i clicked on neither, they both suck
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Postby eric93se on Tue Nov 02, 2004 1:56 am

With all the trash talk between the candidates I'm surprised we haven't heard about Bush's crack problem, and Kerry boinking his daughters. =D>
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Re: New Direction

Postby socheat on Tue Nov 02, 2004 8:16 am

MonteLDS wrote:as for people who want neither, just withhold your vote, that seems to be just the same as throwing it away


Sigh. With all the work people are putting in to getting people out there to vote, regardless of who you vote fo, just vote, you are telling people to only vote for the two "viable" options. Withholding your vote isn't democracy. Why should we have to settle on who our President is? Settling isn't democracy, it's having choices already made for you and picking the lesser of two evils. I believe it was Cobb, in the recent Slashdot interview who said, "If you keep voting between the lesser of two evils, what do you expect to get except evil?". I'm not saying any of the independents are any better, or less evil, or more good than Kerry or Bush. But I do think our two party system can stifle change. How do those third party candidates get better chances in the election? It's not just by having a better platform. It's by having enough votes in the previous election to be allowed to play on an even field in the current one. If those third party candidates never received votes, they wouldn't even have a chance to participate in the Presidential debates, an event, sadly that most people use to determine who they are voting for. Sure, we may read up on candidates, their platforms, and do research into their credibility and experience, watch the news, etc, but a lot of people don't. So, we are currently stuck with 2, at most 3, options. In something so important, should we be limited our options? Now, granted, there shouldn't be 100 candidates to choose from, and I don't know what the criteria should be to allow a candidate, but as I see it, voting for 3rd party is not a wasted vote.

What do you get from not voting? Nothing. At least by voting, you've at the very least made a personal statement. If you're going to make an argument about splitting the vote, I'd argue there's no such thing. To split the vote, you're assuming that everyone WILL vote for someone, and by having more candidates to choose from the vote WILL get split. But what about the people who are only voting because a 3rd party candidate is running, and wouldn't vote otherwise? If Nader or Cobb wasn't an option, they wouldn't vote, and Bush and Kerry's numbers would remain the same. No vote splitting there. And for those that would vote anyway, regardless of if 3rd party candidates were running, they would most likely vote for Kerry or Bush anyway because they wouldn't want to "waste" their vote. So, still no vote lost. The only lost votes would occur if someone who was uneducated/undecided about the candidates arrived at the polls and said "I don't know who I want to vote for, and I'll choose at random" and they end up picking not Bush and not Kerry. I find that highly unlikely. Because even if they said "I don't know who I want to vote for, but I know I don't like Bush and Kerry" that means they probably wouldn't have voted for either of those two in the first place. They are voting who they like more, or at least voting against who they don't like, and that's still a choice, that's still a right that they have. And as this election has shown, it's less about choosing who you like, and more about choosing who you don't like, which is very unfortunate.

Also, as South Park has shown, it's always between a Giant Douche and a Turd Sandwich. And 3rd party candidates are likely to be as equally ridiculous, but it doesn't mean you shouldn't vote. What's the difference between voting "Not Bush" and voting "Not Bush or Kerry"? Nothing, and it's perfectly acceptable as long as you vote. Not voting is not democracy. The democratic process works as long as we exercise it.

By the way, I voted Kerry in this poll and in about 30 minutes at my polling location.
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Postby elfdood on Tue Nov 02, 2004 9:04 am

VEFF wrote:
Only one rule:
No (cyber) ballot stuffing please guys! ;)


Then we need to keep Jed Bush off the forums :)
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