Home News Reviews Forums Shop


BenQ DW1640 Pre-Review Test Data

DVD-R/W, DVD+R/RW, DVD-RAM

Postby ala42 on Fri Jul 22, 2005 10:07 pm

At least we now know what this message means:
** INFO : 4-Byte Header Preceding 'Media Code'-Block Discarded
:)
LiteOn/Benq/LG/NEC/Pioneer/BTC/Samsung stuff: MediaCodeSpeedEdit tool
User avatar
ala42
CD-RW Thug
 
Posts: 78
Joined: Sun Sep 21, 2003 9:12 pm
Location: Germany

Postby Scour on Fri Jul 29, 2005 9:48 am

Hello!

Have any problems with your 1640, Dolph?

Maybe the new Benq with DVD-RAM is out before your 1640-review is finished ;)
Benq DW 1640 and 1650 , Plextor PX-755, Pioneer BDR-208 and 209D, LG GH24NSC0, LG BH16NS40 and 16NS55, Liteon ihas 124F and 324F, Pioneer DVR-215 and S21, Samsung SH-224DB and 224GB, and some more

cu
Scour
Scour
CD-RW Player
 
Posts: 1933
Joined: Wed Nov 07, 2001 8:00 pm
Location: Germany

Postby dolphinius_rex on Fri Jul 29, 2005 10:53 am

Scour wrote:Hello!

Have any problems with your 1640, Dolph?

Maybe the new Benq with DVD-RAM is out before your 1640-review is finished ;)


Yeah... the drive has too many things to test! :o

On top of getting BSIB, and BSJB firmwares released while testing the drive, I've now gotten a beta to try out with ADDITIONAL FEATURES, and I'm still in the middle of my No WOPC vs. WOPC Active comparison (which is really small, but testing dual layer takes a lot of time!). I still need to do transfer rate tests, but it's hard to get there with new things appearing every week.

The fact is, BenQ has added nearly as many features to this drive as Plextor has with it's own line of drives... and I just don't feel enough has been done to show off some of these features. Like FE/TE testing, and how the results compare to burn quality/disc compatability.

But I knew this review would take a while... so I released all my quality testing, so people would know if they wanted to buy it or not, now that it's available.
Punch Cards -> Paper Tape -> Tape Drive -> 8" Floppy Diskette -> 5 1/4" Floppy Diskette -> 3 1/2" "Flippy" Diskette -> CD-R -> DVD±R -> BD-R

The Progression of Computer Media
User avatar
dolphinius_rex
CD-RW Player
 
Posts: 6923
Joined: Fri Jan 31, 2003 6:14 pm
Location: Vancouver B.C. Canada

Postby Boba_Fett on Mon Aug 01, 2005 9:07 pm

Does the 1640 support DVD-R DL and/or litescribe?
eVGA NF4 SLI mobo
Opteron 165 Dual Core 1MB cache @ 2.5ghz
2GB Mushkin DDR PC4000
2x160GB & 1x250GB 7,200RPM SATA w/NCQ
eVGA Geforce 7900 GTO 512MB PCI-e
Pioneer 111D 16x DVD burner
Onboard Sound :(
User avatar
Boba_Fett
CD-RW Player
 
Posts: 401
Joined: Wed Dec 18, 2002 8:06 pm
Location: Middle of Nowhere

Postby dodecahedron on Mon Aug 01, 2005 9:16 pm

no LightScribe - that's DW1625.
One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
In the land of Mordor, where the Shadows lie
-- JRRT
M.C. Escher - Reptilien
User avatar
dodecahedron
DVD Polygon
 
Posts: 6865
Joined: Sat Mar 09, 2002 12:04 am
Location: Israel

Postby dolphinius_rex on Tue Aug 02, 2005 12:22 am

Boba_Fett wrote:Does the 1640 support DVD-R DL and/or litescribe?


Only DVD-RDL, burns at 4x :wink:
Punch Cards -> Paper Tape -> Tape Drive -> 8" Floppy Diskette -> 5 1/4" Floppy Diskette -> 3 1/2" "Flippy" Diskette -> CD-R -> DVD±R -> BD-R

The Progression of Computer Media
User avatar
dolphinius_rex
CD-RW Player
 
Posts: 6923
Joined: Fri Jan 31, 2003 6:14 pm
Location: Vancouver B.C. Canada

Postby dolphinius_rex on Tue Aug 02, 2005 1:59 am

RJW wrote:
ala42 wrote:
RJW wrote:I think you make a small mistake here but hey I can be wrong.
DVD Infopro is wrong, it shows four extra bytes at the begin of the hexdump. DVD Identifier does not display this bytes.

Your right about this one. Hmm overlooked it. I normally only use DVD identifier. Sorry my fault. Good that you pointed out.

So the Mitubishi media has 2 errors.
For completeness I will post both blocks reported by DVD identifier on Benq 1640 as Dolphinius Rex e-mailed me.

RICOHJPNW21 real 8x DVD+RW
** INFO : Hex Dump Of 'Media Code'-Block Listed Below
** INFO : 4-Byte Header Preceding 'Media Code'-Block Discarded
** INFO : Format 11h (Method 1) - ADIP Information
0000 : 93 0f 04 00 00 03 00 00 00 26 05 3f 00 00 00 00 .........&.?....
0010 : 00 00 03 52 49 43 4f 48 4a 50 4e 57 32 31 01 20 ...RICOHJPNW21.
0020 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0030 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0040 : 02 00 01 2e 70 54 00 7e 7d 4e 03 1e 00 7c 91 2e ....pT.~}N...|..
0050 : 02 1c 00 80 84 26 02 1e 00 00 04 0a 09 00 00 00 .....&..........
0060 : 82 00 04 04 00 00 00 ff 01 ed ec eb 10 0f 02 01 ................
0070 : 02 01 02 03 02 04 10 0b 02 01 02 01 00 05 05 08 ................
0080 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0090 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00a0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00b0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00c0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00d0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00e0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00f0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ........

MCC supposed f 8x DVD+RW

* INFO : Hex Dump Of 'Media Code'-Block Listed Below
** INFO : 4-Byte Header Preceding 'Media Code'-Block Discarded
** INFO : Format 11h (Method 1) - ADIP Information
0000 : 92 0f 04 00 00 03 00 00 00 26 05 3f 00 00 00 00 .........&.?....
0010 : 00 00 01 4d 4b 4d 00 00 00 00 00 41 30 33 00 39 ...MKM.....A03.9
0020 : 23 00 94 79 64 02 20 00 9c 7a 6c 02 20 00 9a 7b #..yd. ..zl. ..{
0030 : 68 02 20 12 12 10 e0 00 f0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 h. .............
0040 : 01 00 17 38 00 29 8b 3e 02 24 00 2d 8e 38 02 24 ...8.).>.$.-.8.$
0050 : 00 2c 90 3e 02 24 44 35 30 e0 f0 30 40 00 00 00 .,.>.$D50..0@...
0060 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0070 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0080 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0090 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00a0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00b0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00c0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00d0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00e0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00f0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ........

As we see here extended block 1 (The bytes I said befor are missing data with the MCC disc's. That's in the line with 0060 and 0070. This line should decscribe information for burning higher as 4x up to 8x officially. (That's a official answer !)


The problem seems to have been fixed with later samples (samples I don't *HAVE* mind you). Thanks to BenQ for providing proof that Verbatim has found and solved this issue with their media!
Attachments
BENQ____DVD_DD_DW1640_BSJB_MKM+RW_8x.png
This is a PROPER Verbatim 8x DVD+RW
BENQ____DVD_DD_DW1640_BSJB_MKM+RW_8x.png (21.52 KiB) Viewed 2404 times
Punch Cards -> Paper Tape -> Tape Drive -> 8" Floppy Diskette -> 5 1/4" Floppy Diskette -> 3 1/2" "Flippy" Diskette -> CD-R -> DVD±R -> BD-R

The Progression of Computer Media
User avatar
dolphinius_rex
CD-RW Player
 
Posts: 6923
Joined: Fri Jan 31, 2003 6:14 pm
Location: Vancouver B.C. Canada

Postby RJW on Tue Aug 02, 2005 4:28 am

Yep that's it a incident has become clear, however the size is still a bit questionable. However it seems that only R&D disc's were affected fact is that you got some of these early samples which never should have left factory.

I'm not so sure about what cds-speed is returning is proper.
In the output you do not see MKM A03.
which make me wonder how can it recognize it if it doesn't put the info out.
RJW
CD-RW Player
 
Posts: 1379
Joined: Sun Oct 28, 2001 8:00 pm
Location: The netherlands

Postby dolphinius_rex on Tue Aug 02, 2005 4:57 am

RJW wrote:Yep that's it a incident has become clear, however the size is still a bit questionable. However it seems that only R&D disc's were affected fact is that you got some of these early samples which never should have left factory.

I'm not so sure about what cds-speed is returning is proper.
In the output you do not see MKM A03.
which make me wonder how can it recognize it if it doesn't put the info out.


While I'm not quite as some others, at getting things I shouldn't have, it's nice to know I pull it off from time to time :wink:

Interesting point about CD/DVD Speed though... I see what you mean! If I had the discs, and that version of the software currently installed, I'd try to reproduce it. Let's hope it's only a small bug that may already be fixed :-?
Punch Cards -> Paper Tape -> Tape Drive -> 8" Floppy Diskette -> 5 1/4" Floppy Diskette -> 3 1/2" "Flippy" Diskette -> CD-R -> DVD±R -> BD-R

The Progression of Computer Media
User avatar
dolphinius_rex
CD-RW Player
 
Posts: 6923
Joined: Fri Jan 31, 2003 6:14 pm
Location: Vancouver B.C. Canada

Postby Boba_Fett on Tue Aug 02, 2005 12:12 pm

dolphinius_rex wrote:
Boba_Fett wrote:Does the 1640 support DVD-R DL and/or litescribe?


Only DVD-RDL, burns at 4x :wink:


Hmm... makes me think that Litescribe was a one trick pony. It makes no sense not to include the feature in all optical drive updates :-?
eVGA NF4 SLI mobo
Opteron 165 Dual Core 1MB cache @ 2.5ghz
2GB Mushkin DDR PC4000
2x160GB & 1x250GB 7,200RPM SATA w/NCQ
eVGA Geforce 7900 GTO 512MB PCI-e
Pioneer 111D 16x DVD burner
Onboard Sound :(
User avatar
Boba_Fett
CD-RW Player
 
Posts: 401
Joined: Wed Dec 18, 2002 8:06 pm
Location: Middle of Nowhere

Postby dolphinius_rex on Tue Aug 02, 2005 12:31 pm

Boba_Fett wrote:
dolphinius_rex wrote:
Boba_Fett wrote:Does the 1640 support DVD-R DL and/or litescribe?


Only DVD-RDL, burns at 4x :wink:


Hmm... makes me think that Litescribe was a one trick pony. It makes no sense not to include the feature in all optical drive updates :-?


Sure it does! Lightscribe licensing is expensive, and since most users have no interest in it at all, why would BenQ want to make their drive more expensive at no benefit for a majority of their customer base?

But on the consumer level, the licensing of the discs is FAR more of a problem then the drive :-?
Punch Cards -> Paper Tape -> Tape Drive -> 8" Floppy Diskette -> 5 1/4" Floppy Diskette -> 3 1/2" "Flippy" Diskette -> CD-R -> DVD±R -> BD-R

The Progression of Computer Media
User avatar
dolphinius_rex
CD-RW Player
 
Posts: 6923
Joined: Fri Jan 31, 2003 6:14 pm
Location: Vancouver B.C. Canada

Postby Gabe on Tue Aug 02, 2005 12:32 pm

Have sometimes strange behavior´s with my Benq 1640 when make quality-check. It seem normal when the Benq slowdown at 120-160MB-mark, but sometimes it slows down very often
Attachments
MAM-E DVD-R 8x Olli Hals über Kopf Benq 1640 BSJB.png
Strange
MAM-E DVD-R 8x Olli Hals über Kopf Benq 1640 BSJB.png (56.96 KiB) Viewed 2359 times
Philips DVD+R 8x Olli Spione wie wir Benq 1640 BSJB.png
Normal
Philips DVD+R 8x Olli Spione wie wir Benq 1640 BSJB.png (54.44 KiB) Viewed 2359 times
WD: WD6400AAKS, WD10EALS, WD20EARS, WD10EALS
Hitachi: 7K1000.B 1 TB, 7K1000.C 1 TB, 7K2000 2TB, 7K3000 2TB
Seagate: ST2000DL003, ST31000528AS
Samsung HD204UI
LG GH-22NS50
Plextor PX 755 1.04
Benq DW 1670 1.03
Optiarc AD 7173A 1.01
Asus DRW 20B1LT 1.00
Gabe
CD-RW Player
 
Posts: 297
Joined: Sat Sep 14, 2002 10:35 am

Postby dolphinius_rex on Tue Aug 02, 2005 12:45 pm

The first image is 100% normal... both my drives do that every time. I've never seen anything like the second image though... except when testing dual layer media (which you aren't). Was something running in the background that accessed the HDD at VERY regular intervals?
Punch Cards -> Paper Tape -> Tape Drive -> 8" Floppy Diskette -> 5 1/4" Floppy Diskette -> 3 1/2" "Flippy" Diskette -> CD-R -> DVD±R -> BD-R

The Progression of Computer Media
User avatar
dolphinius_rex
CD-RW Player
 
Posts: 6923
Joined: Fri Jan 31, 2003 6:14 pm
Location: Vancouver B.C. Canada

Postby Gabe on Tue Aug 02, 2005 7:58 pm

dolphinius_rex wrote:The first image is 100% normal... both my drives do that every time. I've never seen anything like the second image though... except when testing dual layer media (which you aren't). Was something running in the background that accessed the HDD at VERY regular intervals?


No, my system was far away from being stressed. I tried it x-times, made new start of CDSpeed, eject and reload the tray, same thing.

This happened with a few discs, with the most discs I don´t have this problem. I thought that you have the same thing with some media because you test so much different media.
WD: WD6400AAKS, WD10EALS, WD20EARS, WD10EALS
Hitachi: 7K1000.B 1 TB, 7K1000.C 1 TB, 7K2000 2TB, 7K3000 2TB
Seagate: ST2000DL003, ST31000528AS
Samsung HD204UI
LG GH-22NS50
Plextor PX 755 1.04
Benq DW 1670 1.03
Optiarc AD 7173A 1.01
Asus DRW 20B1LT 1.00
Gabe
CD-RW Player
 
Posts: 297
Joined: Sat Sep 14, 2002 10:35 am

Postby dolphinius_rex on Wed Aug 03, 2005 4:07 am

Gabe wrote:
dolphinius_rex wrote:The first image is 100% normal... both my drives do that every time. I've never seen anything like the second image though... except when testing dual layer media (which you aren't). Was something running in the background that accessed the HDD at VERY regular intervals?


No, my system was far away from being stressed. I tried it x-times, made new start of CDSpeed, eject and reload the tray, same thing.

This happened with a few discs, with the most discs I don´t have this problem. I thought that you have the same thing with some media because you test so much different media.


Nope, not once that I can remember.... except for on dual layer media. Weird :o
Punch Cards -> Paper Tape -> Tape Drive -> 8" Floppy Diskette -> 5 1/4" Floppy Diskette -> 3 1/2" "Flippy" Diskette -> CD-R -> DVD±R -> BD-R

The Progression of Computer Media
User avatar
dolphinius_rex
CD-RW Player
 
Posts: 6923
Joined: Fri Jan 31, 2003 6:14 pm
Location: Vancouver B.C. Canada

Postby Boba_Fett on Wed Aug 03, 2005 7:46 pm

dolphinius_rex wrote:
Boba_Fett wrote:Does the 1640 support DVD-R DL and/or litescribe?


Only DVD-RDL, burns at 4x :wink:


Are you sure? Newegg and BenQ's own web site say otherwise. I don't feel like getting (damn LG GSA-4163B
decided to die on me today) it if it doesn't support at least that...
eVGA NF4 SLI mobo
Opteron 165 Dual Core 1MB cache @ 2.5ghz
2GB Mushkin DDR PC4000
2x160GB & 1x250GB 7,200RPM SATA w/NCQ
eVGA Geforce 7900 GTO 512MB PCI-e
Pioneer 111D 16x DVD burner
Onboard Sound :(
User avatar
Boba_Fett
CD-RW Player
 
Posts: 401
Joined: Wed Dec 18, 2002 8:06 pm
Location: Middle of Nowhere

Postby dolphinius_rex on Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:45 pm

Boba_Fett wrote:
dolphinius_rex wrote:
Boba_Fett wrote:Does the 1640 support DVD-R DL and/or litescribe?


Only DVD-RDL, burns at 4x :wink:


Are you sure? Newegg and BenQ's own web site say otherwise. I don't feel like getting (damn LG GSA-4163B
decided to die on me today) it if it doesn't support at least that...


It says it supports it on BenQ's global page... but it needs a firmware update:
http://www.benq.com/products/product.cf ... ifications
Punch Cards -> Paper Tape -> Tape Drive -> 8" Floppy Diskette -> 5 1/4" Floppy Diskette -> 3 1/2" "Flippy" Diskette -> CD-R -> DVD±R -> BD-R

The Progression of Computer Media
User avatar
dolphinius_rex
CD-RW Player
 
Posts: 6923
Joined: Fri Jan 31, 2003 6:14 pm
Location: Vancouver B.C. Canada

Previous

Return to DVD Writers

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 10 guests

All Content is Copyright (c) 2001-2024 CDRLabs Inc.