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Postby elec999 on Fri Dec 03, 2004 1:47 pm

I burned some Tyon Yuden media with my Pioneer 107 firmware 1.20. And the playback seems fine, but when I try to copy the files to hard drive they seems to be copying it fails, and copying very slowly.
http://members.rogers.com/alex1002/piLINE.jpg
http://members.rogers.com/alex1002/piVERT.jpg
http://members.rogers.com/alex1002/TYSpeedTest.jpg
I tried using kprobe, could someone give me a fast guide on howto use it. Do you think the disks may have gotten damaged during shipping, they are from Ncix.
Media Information
Region information N/A not a DVD-VIDEO
Media code/Manufacturer ID TYG02
Format Capacity 4.25GB(4.56GB)
Book Type DVD-R
Media Type DVD-R
Manufacturer Rated Speed 8.0x 11080KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 3.1x 4234KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 2.0x 2822KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 1.0x 1411KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 0.5x 706KBps
Write Strategy Speed 4.0x 5540KBps
2x Speed OPC beta 08
2x Speed OPC power 0E
2x Write Strategy field 1 11 87 78 80
2x Write Strategy field 2 88 80 00 00 00 00
4x Speed OPC beta 06
4x Speed OPC power 13
4x Write Strategy field 1 0D 10 0E 07
4x Write Strategy field 2 00 00 00 00
4x Write Strategy field 3 00 00 00 00
4x Speed OPC beta multi-pulse 00
4x Speed OPC power multi-pulse 00
4x Write Strategy field 4 00 00 00 00
4x Write Strategy field 5 00 00 00 00 00 00
4x Write Strategy field 6 00 00 00 00 00
Data area starting sector 30000h
Data area end sector 21F6FFh
Linear Density 0.267um/bit
Track Density 0.74um/track
Number of Layers 1

Complete Media Code
00000000 00 42 00 00 01 40 C1 FD 9E D8 52 00 02 87 0D 10 .B...@....R.....
00000010 66 78 80 00 03 54 59 47 30 32 00 00 04 00 00 00 fx...TYG02......
00000020 00 00 00 00 05 AA A2 22 22 20 02 00 06 08 0E 11 ......."" ......
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Fri Dec 03, 2004 2:08 pm

that code looks a little weird.... where did you buy these "Taiyo Yuden" DVD-Rs?
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Postby elec999 on Fri Dec 03, 2004 5:06 pm

From the www.ncix.com
The media seems to have arrived a bit damaged, but not sure.
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Postby eric93se on Fri Dec 03, 2004 5:13 pm

TYG is usually an imitation (Hong Kong crap). Real Taiyo Yuden is TY01 and TY02
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Postby aviationwiz on Fri Dec 03, 2004 5:21 pm

Are you sure you don't have that backwards? All my TY DVD-R is TYG0r. Where r is the revision, example, TYG00 is 2x DVD-R? TYG01 is 4x DVD-R, and TYG02 is 8x DVD-R In addition, that's all I've seen anywhere..
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Postby hydrogen on Fri Dec 03, 2004 5:51 pm

Have you thought about returning them and getting new ones? If their bad, I would exchange them.
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Fri Dec 03, 2004 6:11 pm

elec999 wrote:From the www.ncix.com
The media seems to have arrived a bit damaged, but not sure.
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If they are damaged, I would contact NCIX. I know NCIX and keep in very close contact with them, and I can guarentee you 100% that their Taiyo Yuden DVDRs are real and legitimate Taiyo Yuden media.

Also, you should update your Pioneer to 1.21 :wink:
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Postby elec999 on Fri Dec 03, 2004 7:38 pm

Well, I gotta now pay shipping to send the back to ncix. And are these real Ty dvdr or no.
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Postby aviationwiz on Fri Dec 03, 2004 7:44 pm

You said earlier you got them from ncix...
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Postby elec999 on Fri Dec 03, 2004 7:48 pm

Sorry, i had newegg in mind. Got them of ncix when they had them on special and free shipping.
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php? ... yo%20Yuden
I burned two dvdr, the same data, one dvd-r is Ty, the other dvd-r is Smartbuy Prodic die. I tried copying the dvd-r back to my hard drive, the Smartbuy takes 10mins, while the Ty takes over 50 mins and still going. Something seems wrong. Did I just get a bad disk, or is the media fake or what. I wish I have some luck with media for once.
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Postby elec999 on Fri Dec 03, 2004 11:37 pm

What do you guys suggest, recomend.
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Postby DVD_ADDICT on Sat Dec 04, 2004 4:04 am

TYG is usually an imitation (Hong Kong crap). Real Taiyo Yuden is TY01 and TY02


as aviationwiz said it seems you have those codes backwards. i have TAIYO YUDEN printables from Rima.com which the media code is TYG01. videohelp.com media section it says TYG01 for 4x speed media & TYG02 for 8x speed media.
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Sat Dec 04, 2004 5:20 am

If there is only one retail store in the world that I *KNOW* for certain is selling legitimate made in Japan Taiyo Yuden DVDRs, It's ncix.com. Believe me, the consequences would be quite bad if this changed, and I do not make these comments lightly. Either the media was damaged, or your drive is having serious problems.
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Postby RJW on Sat Dec 04, 2004 8:20 am

TYG00 is 2x DVD-R


Never have seen this code befor !!!

So any one has proof that TY used this code ?

Shouldn't 2x DVD-R have TAIYOYUDEN as MID.
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Postby aviationwiz on Sat Dec 04, 2004 3:04 pm

That's why I had a ? after I said that, as I wasn't certain.
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Postby jberry on Sat Dec 04, 2004 3:19 pm

I got the same TYs from the same NCIX sale....here is what I have:

Region information N/A not a DVD-VIDEO
Media code/Manufacturer ID TYG02
Format Capacity Blank Disc
Free Blocks 412352512
Free Capacity 4.38GB(4.71GB)
Book Type DVD-R
Media Type DVD-R
Manufacturer Rated Speed 8.0x 11080KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 16.0x 22160KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 12.0x 16620KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 8.0x 11080KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 4.0x 5540KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 2.4x 3324KBps
Write Strategy Speed 4.0x 5540KBps
2x Speed OPC beta 08
2x Speed OPC power 0E
2x Write Strategy field 1 11 87 78 80
2x Write Strategy field 2 88 80 00 00 00 00
4x Speed OPC beta 06
4x Speed OPC power 13
4x Write Strategy field 1 0D 10 0E 07
4x Write Strategy field 2 97 07 0D 0B
4x Write Strategy field 3 80 00 00 00
4x Speed OPC beta multi-pulse 06
4x Speed OPC power multi-pulse 18
4x Write Strategy field 4 17 85 78 75
4x Write Strategy field 5 D6 89 A8 92 01 20
4x Write Strategy field 6 10 00 D0 00 00
Data area starting sector 30000h
Linear Density 0.267um/bit
Track Density 0.74um/track
Number of Layers 1

Complete Media Code
00000000 00 6C 00 00 01 40 C1 FD 9E D8 52 00 02 87 0D 10 .l...@....R.....
00000010 66 78 80 00 03 54 59 47 30 32 00 00 04 00 00 00 fx...TYG02......
00000020 00 00 00 00 05 AA A2 22 22 20 02 00 06 08 0E 11 ......."" ......


these are definately different that the original posters results...note the 16x thing in my post...mine are from a Benq 1620....

I think the original posters drive is not reading them well.
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Postby RJW on Sat Dec 04, 2004 4:27 pm

Hmm it seems that a addressing bit is different.
I wonder could you check with some other media or with some other drive what you get from these.
Hmm I wonder who screwed up Pioneer or TY.
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Postby jberry on Sat Dec 04, 2004 11:08 pm

here is from LG 4120b:

Media Information
Region information N/A not a DVD-VIDEO
Media code/Manufacturer ID TYG02
Format Capacity Blank Disc
Free Blocks 411107328
Free Capacity 4.38GB(4.71GB)
Book Type DVD-R
Media Type DVD-R
Manufacturer Rated Speed 8.0x 11080KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 8.0x 11080KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 4.0x 5540KBps
Write Strategy Speed 4.0x 5540KBps
2x Speed OPC beta 08
2x Speed OPC power 0E
2x Write Strategy field 1 11 87 78 80
2x Write Strategy field 2 88 80 00 00 00 00
4x Speed OPC beta 06
4x Speed OPC power 13
4x Write Strategy field 1 0D 10 0E 07
4x Write Strategy field 2 97 07 0D 0B
4x Write Strategy field 3 80 00 00 00
4x Speed OPC beta multi-pulse 06
4x Speed OPC power multi-pulse 18
4x Write Strategy field 4 17 85 78 75
4x Write Strategy field 5 D6 89 A8 92 01 20
4x Write Strategy field 6 10 00 D0 00 00
Data area starting sector 30000h
Linear Density 0.267um/bit
Track Density 0.74um/track
Number of Layers 1

Complete Media Code
00000000 00 6A 00 00 01 40 C1 FD 9E D8 52 00 02 87 0D 10 .j...@....R.....
00000010 66 78 80 00 03 54 59 47 30 32 00 00 04 00 00 00 fx...TYG02......
00000020 00 00 00 00 05 AA A2 22 22 20 02 00 06 08 0E 11 ......."" ......


does it help?
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Postby RJW on Sun Dec 05, 2004 4:59 am

Yeah now all I need is another example of the guy who started this topic.
He should use a different drive or some other media that's widely available.

As people can see what the benq and Toshiba are reporting is pretty close.
There reporting 6A and 6C for the second bit. Depending on how these seems to be determined this should be very logical.
The Pioneer drive from elec999 has a completely different value for the second bit.
So that's why I ask him if he could put up some id of a other well used disc or if he can scan the TY disc's in a different drive.
If the second drive should report something close to the pioneer value's then we know it's the media.
If the Pioneer is able to read the other media then It's also the media.
However if the other drive is reporting different and in line with the
Toshiba and the Benq drive then we know it's probally the pioneer who's screweing up.
If the Pioneer also gives screwed info back on other media then we know it's Pioneer who screwed up.
So that's why I asked.
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Postby hydrogen on Sun Dec 05, 2004 5:35 am

I have some Ty 8x dvd-rs here. I checked them using a Pioneer 107d drive with firmware 1.12. These came from a Fuji 8x dvd-r pack.

Media Information
Region information N/A not a DVD-VIDEO
Media code/Manufacturer ID TYG02
Format Capacity Blank Disc
Free Blocks 411107328
Free Capacity 4.38GB(4.71GB)
Book Type DVD-R
Media Type DVD-R
Manufacturer Rated Speed 8.0x 11080KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 8.0x 11080KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 6.0x 8310KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 4.0x 5540KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 2.0x 2770KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 1.0x 1385KBps
Write Strategy Speed 4.0x 5540KBps
2x Speed OPC beta 08
2x Speed OPC power 0E
2x Write Strategy field 1 11 87 78 80
2x Write Strategy field 2 88 80 00 00 00 00
4x Speed OPC beta 06
4x Speed OPC power 13
4x Write Strategy field 1 0D 10 0E 07
4x Write Strategy field 2 97 07 0D 0B
4x Write Strategy field 3 80 00 00 00
4x Speed OPC beta multi-pulse 06
4x Speed OPC power multi-pulse 18
4x Write Strategy field 4 17 85 78 75
4x Write Strategy field 5 D6 89 A8 92 01 20
4x Write Strategy field 6 10 00 D0 00 00
Data area starting sector 30000h
Linear Density 0.267um/bit
Track Density 0.74um/track
Number of Layers 1

Complete Media Code
00000000 00 6C 00 00 01 40 C1 FD 9E D8 52 00 02 87 0D 10 .l...@....R.....
00000010 66 78 80 00 03 54 59 47 30 32 00 00 04 00 00 00 fx...TYG02......
00000020 00 00 00 00 05 AA A2 22 22 20 02 00 06 08 0E 11 ......."" ......
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Postby elec999 on Mon Dec 06, 2004 9:10 am

I tried these of my dvdrom drive
Media Information
Region information N/A not a DVD-VIDEO
Media code/Manufacturer ID TYG02
Format Capacity 4.25GB(4.56GB)
Book Type DVD-R
Media Type DVD-R
Manufacturer Rated Speed 8.0x 11080KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 3.1x 4234KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 2.0x 2822KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 1.0x 1411KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 0.5x 706KBps
Write Strategy Speed 4.0x 5540KBps
2x Speed OPC beta 08
2x Speed OPC power 0E
2x Write Strategy field 1 11 87 78 80
2x Write Strategy field 2 88 80 00 00 00 00
4x Speed OPC beta 06
4x Speed OPC power 13
4x Write Strategy field 1 0D 10 0E 07
4x Write Strategy field 2 00 00 00 00
4x Write Strategy field 3 00 00 00 00
4x Speed OPC beta multi-pulse 00
4x Speed OPC power multi-pulse 00
4x Write Strategy field 4 00 00 00 00
4x Write Strategy field 5 00 00 00 00 00 00
4x Write Strategy field 6 00 00 00 00 00
Data area starting sector 30000h
Data area end sector 21F6FFh
Linear Density 0.267um/bit
Track Density 0.74um/track
Number of Layers 1

Complete Media Code
00000000 00 42 00 00 01 40 C1 FD 9E D8 52 00 02 87 0D 10 .B...@....R.....
00000010 66 78 80 00 03 54 59 47 30 32 00 00 04 00 00 00 fx...TYG02......
00000020 00 00 00 00 05 AA A2 22 22 20 02 00 06 08 0E 11 ......."" ......

I am not sure what to think.
The Pioneer drive seems to be burning other media perfectly.
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Postby jberry on Mon Dec 06, 2004 10:04 am

this is obviously a drive problem....I burned 2 of the NCIX's -Rs at 12x last night and one a 16x...perfect burns for me
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Postby uknown1234 on Mon Dec 06, 2004 12:05 pm

elec999 wrote:From the www.ncix.com
The media seems to have arrived a bit damaged, but not sure.
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as was said contact them and exchange.
also if at all possible try to burn with a different drive.
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Postby elec999 on Mon Dec 06, 2004 12:18 pm

This a Pioneer 107, not 108. its max burn it 8x.
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Mon Dec 06, 2004 1:44 pm

elec999 wrote:
Complete Media Code
00000000 00 42 00 00 01 40 C1 FD 9E D8 52 00 02 87 0D 10 .B...@....R.....
00000010 66 78 80 00 03 54 59 47 30 32 00 00 04 00 00 00 fx...TYG02......
00000020 00 00 00 00 05 AA A2 22 22 20 02 00 06 08 0E 11 ......."" ......

I am not sure what to think.
The Pioneer drive seems to be burning other media perfectly.
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That 'B' concerns me... it SHOULD be a l. But like I said, I *KNOW* the media is legitimate.
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