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Bad batches of Verbatim MCC 02RG20 at Amazon?

Postby bix on Wed Feb 16, 2005 4:11 pm

So I returned a spindle that wouldn't burn. I'm having the same problem w/ the replacement spindle. The Nero scans of the blank discs look like this:

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Did Amazon get a bad batch? Should I contact Verbatim before I try my Amazon return this time?

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Postby Ian on Wed Feb 16, 2005 4:16 pm

What drive are you using? Have you tried other drives?
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Postby Gen-An on Wed Feb 16, 2005 4:27 pm

Going by the Z-CLV strat I'd say it's a Pioneer drive, though I'm not sure if it's an A07, A08 or A09. MCC02RG20 by CMC has been problematic for me on my PX-712A, but my SOHW-812S handles them with ease. I wonder if the batch bix got is made by CMC or Prodisc.
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Postby bix on Wed Feb 16, 2005 4:41 pm

I'm using an LG GSA-4163B. It's my only DVD writer, though I also have a standalone recorder I could use.
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Postby miccha81 on Wed Feb 16, 2005 6:05 pm

On a related topic, seems like the 100 packs of ridata 4x dvd+r that amazon had (now out of stock i think) were also bad. I'm returning mine cause of defects, scratches etc.
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Wed Feb 16, 2005 6:31 pm

bix wrote:I'm using an LG GSA-4163B. It's my only DVD writer, though I also have a standalone recorder I could use.


Hey Bix,

can you please post the serial numbers written on the Verbatim media causing you problems? Thanks!!
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Postby Scour on Wed Feb 16, 2005 6:42 pm

Gen-An wrote: I wonder if the batch bix got is made by CMC or Prodisc.


And how I get it? Are the batches from CMC or Prodisc made in an other country?
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Postby bix on Wed Feb 16, 2005 8:37 pm

dolphinius_rex wrote:
bix wrote:I'm using an LG GSA-4163B. It's my only DVD writer, though I also have a standalone recorder I could use.


Hey Bix,

can you please post the serial numbers written on the Verbatim media causing you problems? Thanks!!


Dammit, they're on the write side, lemme get some good light to look at this under...

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Postby MadBurner on Wed Feb 16, 2005 9:23 pm

miccha81 wrote:On a related topic, seems like the 100 packs of ridata 4x dvd+r that amazon had (now out of stock i think) were also bad. I'm returning mine cause of defects, scratches etc.


I just received some of the same discs from Amazon.com (RICOHJPNR01) and so far I haven't had any problems. What media code are yours?

Disc Serial # K3C00217J410RS3121014A08406

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Postby Gen-An on Wed Feb 16, 2005 10:08 pm

bix wrote:
dolphinius_rex wrote:
bix wrote:I'm using an LG GSA-4163B. It's my only DVD writer, though I also have a standalone recorder I could use.


Hey Bix,

can you please post the serial numbers written on the Verbatim media causing you problems? Thanks!!


Dammit, they're on the write side, lemme get some good light to look at this under...

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The inner hub serial (engraved in the clear plastic part) is the one that can identify whether the discs were made by CMC or Prodisc, but it's going to be hard to see.
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Postby MadBurner on Wed Feb 16, 2005 10:36 pm

Gen-An wrote:
The inner hub serial (engraved in the clear plastic part) is the one that can identify whether the discs were made by CMC or Prodisc, but it's going to be hard to see.


How do you x-reference the serial number to the "true" manufacturer?

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Postby Gen-An on Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:15 am

Every DVD manufacturer seems to use a different serial numbering scheme.
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Postby Scour on Wed Aug 10, 2005 7:46 am

Hello!

Have get a batch of Verbatim DVD-R 8x, made in India. Can someone tell me if these media made by MBIL better or more worse than the ones are made in Taiwan by CMC/Prodisc?

My LG 4082 don´t can make scans, so I have to ask or visit a friend with a Benq 1640 for scans.
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Postby Gen-An on Wed Aug 10, 2005 8:09 am

From what I've seen, MBIL-manufactured MCC media is of lesser quality than that made by CMC or Prodisc, though not unusable.
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Postby Scour on Wed Aug 10, 2005 8:17 am

Gen-An wrote:From what I've seen, MBIL-manufactured MCC media is of lesser quality than that made by CMC or Prodisc, though not unusable.


You mean it´s not so good like the taiwan-media, but still ok?

If anyone have scans of both media, it´s welcome :)
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Postby frank1 on Wed Aug 10, 2005 8:50 am

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I like to know if your Verbatim DVD-R 8x with the "MCC 02 RG20" media code were sold in 25 piece spindles or not ??

I hope that you did not get one of these "Verbatim":
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Postby dodecahedron on Wed Aug 10, 2005 9:43 am

Scour wrote:Hello!

Have get a batch of Verbatim DVD-R 8x, made in India. Can someone tell me if these media made by MBIL better or more worse than the ones are made in Taiwan by CMC/Prodisc?

i don't know how usefult this is to you. my drive is BenQ DW1620, and apparently it doesn't like Prodisc.
on my drive at least the MBIL is much better than the Prodisc (DVD-R anyway).

here are some scans.
all discs are Verbatim DataLifePlus 8x certified, burned at 12x, burned and scanned on BenQ DW1620 B7P9
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1005 BENQ____DVD_DD_DW1620_B7P9_01-May-2005_10_07_scan1.png
brand: Verbatim DataLifePlus Advanced AZO
type: DVD+R (X47B)
speed rating: 8x
MID: MCC 003
misc media info: made in India by MBIL, straight lipped spindle cakebox
1005 BENQ____DVD_DD_DW1620_B7P9_01-May-2005_10_07_scan1.png (49.17 KiB) Viewed 2492 times
1004 BENQ____DVD_DD_DW1620_B7P9_14-April-2005_14_01_scan1.png
brand: Verbatim DataLifePlus Advanced AZO
type: DVD+R (X47B)
speed rating: 8x
MID: MCC 003
misc media info: made in India by MBIL, round lipped spindle cakebox
1004 BENQ____DVD_DD_DW1620_B7P9_14-April-2005_14_01_scan1.png (48.39 KiB) Viewed 2477 times
1003 BENQ____DVD_DD_DW1620_B7P9_13-April-2005_18_17_scan1.png
1003
brand: Verbatim DataLifePlus Advanced AZO
type: DVD-R
speed rating: 8x
MID: MCC 02RG20
misc media info: made in India by MBIL
1003 BENQ____DVD_DD_DW1620_B7P9_13-April-2005_18_17_scan1.png (50.16 KiB) Viewed 2488 times
1002 BENQ____DVD_DD_DW1620_B7P9_07-April-2005_12_54_scan1.png
brand: Verbatim DataLifePlus Advanced AZO
type: DVD+R (X47B)
speed rating: 8x
MID: MCC 003
misc media info: made in Taiwan by Prodisc
1002 BENQ____DVD_DD_DW1620_B7P9_07-April-2005_12_54_scan1.png (49.18 KiB) Viewed 2488 times
1001 BENQ____DVD_DD_DW1620_B7P9_04-April-2005_20_12_scan1.png
brand: Verbatim DataLifePlus Advanced AZO
type: DVD-R
speed rating: 8x
MID: MCC 02RG20
misc media info: made in Taiwan by Prodisc
1001 BENQ____DVD_DD_DW1620_B7P9_04-April-2005_20_12_scan1.png (49.24 KiB) Viewed 2491 times
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Postby RJW on Wed Aug 10, 2005 11:05 am

bix wrote:
dolphinius_rex wrote:
bix wrote:I'm using an LG GSA-4163B. It's my only DVD writer, though I also have a standalone recorder I could use.


Hey Bix,

can you please post the serial numbers written on the Verbatim media causing you problems? Thanks!!


Dammit, they're on the write side, lemme get some good light to look at this under...

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We need the other one that is printed in the hub which should be readable from the top site.
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Postby Scour on Wed Aug 10, 2005 5:45 pm

dodecahedron wrote:[
i don't know how usefult this is to you. my drive is BenQ DW1620, and apparently it doesn't like Prodisc.
on my drive at least the MBIL is much better than the Prodisc (DVD-R anyway).

here are some scans.
all discs are Verbatim DataLifePlus 8x certified, burned at 12x, burned and scanned on BenQ DW1620 B7P9


Thanks for the scans, dodecahedron :)

Read it a few times than Benq have trouble with Prodisc. But I think that Prodisc use the MCC-specification (which are different to the original-Prodisc)for producing media with the MCC-codes. So I wonder why your results are so different.
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Postby dodecahedron on Thu Aug 11, 2005 12:08 am

i don't know. but the results you see for yourself.
at the time i had discussed this with dolphininus_rex and he had said his 1620 didn't like Prodics. but then he never used Prodisc-made-VerbatimDLP.

it's possible that my drive is not a good drive.
look at the scan below. that's a 8x TDK DVD+R made by TY (MIJ). burned at 8x. not very good for TY media. i was very upset. right now it's the only TY spindle i have so i can't check if it's just a bad batch.
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1006 BENQ____DVD_DD_DW1620_B7P9_07-August-2005_03_57_scan.png
brand: TDK
type: DVD+R
speed rating: 8x
MID: YUDEN000 T02 (000)
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Postby Scour on Thu Aug 11, 2005 2:15 am

dodecahedron wrote:it's possible that my drive is not a good drive.
look at the scan below. that's a 8x TDK DVD+R made by TY (MIJ). burned at 8x. not very good for TY media. i was very upset. right now it's the only TY spindle i have so i can't check if it's just a bad batch.


That´s really no good for T02, especially because it´s burned @8x.
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Postby dodecahedron on Thu Aug 11, 2005 2:38 am

Scour wrote:That´s really no good for T02, especially because it´s burned @8x.

yeah. that's why i was very upset.

very curious. look at the next 2 scans. these are the same media - 8x TDK DVD+R T02 from the same spindle. test disc made by CDSpeed 4.01. the first burned at 8x the second at 16x.
the 16x burn has better PIE - quite ridiculous. but maybe it's just test variance.

in any case, very disappointing results for TY T02.
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1007 BENQ____DVD_DD_DW1620_B7P9_08-August-2005_10_02_scan.png
brand: TDK
type: DVD+R
speed rating: 8x
MID: YUDEN000 T02 (000)
burned on: 08.08.2005 10:02
drive, fw: BenQ DW1620 B7P9
burn speed: 16x
1007 BENQ____DVD_DD_DW1620_B7P9_08-August-2005_10_02_scan.png (57.22 KiB) Viewed 2436 times
1008 BENQ____DVD_DD_DW1620_B7P9_08-August-2005_11_02_scan.png
brand: TDK
type: DVD+R
speed rating: 8x
MID: YUDEN000 T02 (000)
burned on: 08.08.2005 10:38
drive, fw: BenQ DW1620 B7P9
burn speed: 8x
1008 BENQ____DVD_DD_DW1620_B7P9_08-August-2005_11_02_scan.png (57.17 KiB) Viewed 2437 times
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Postby Scour on Thu Aug 11, 2005 2:51 am

Hello!

Both scans are to bad for T02. I don´t have any TDK 8x with TY-code, but when I look at other T02-scans (written by Benq) a score from 95 and higher is normal.

Maybe you can get some other T02 to test.

Did you have similar problems with other good media, like MCC?
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Postby dodecahedron on Thu Aug 11, 2005 7:17 am

all the media i have is that TY TDK and those MBIL VerbatimDLP (made in India) that i posted above. the MBIL Verbatim are better than the TY !?! :o :(

i should be getting some more in the next week, including more TY (Fuji MIJ) so we'll see if it was just a bad spindle of TY or if i have a lemon drive.
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Postby Scour on Thu Aug 11, 2005 7:44 am

dodecahedron wrote:all the media i have is that TY TDK and those MBIL VerbatimDLP (made in India) that i posted above. the MBIL Verbatim are better than the TY !?! :o :(



The c´t-review showed that Verbatim is the better one for stability.

But all the scans I have see, TY is mostly better than MCC in writing-quality and have lower PI/PIF
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