rdgrimes wrote:All of which is the exact same argument that went around over C1/C2.
No it isn't. I just outlined in my previous posts why C1/C2 testing on the DVD-ROM drives was and is different.
rdgrimes wrote:Bottom line is you gotta choose one to believe, you can't believe both, and I choose the burner.
Wrong again. You can believe both if both are correct, and they certainly could both be correct (or incorrect, for that matter). I explained that also. Again, why do you now refuse to acknowledge that the reader one uses for testing influences the results, but does not necessarily invalidate them because the results, by their very nature, must
include the effects of the reader. You've said this before yourself. Why the change now?
rdgrimes wrote:I choose it for a number of reasons, not the least of which is the fact that Kprobe is designed to work with burners, not the ROM.
How do you know this? Did Karr specifically tell you this? We know that he wrote it in part
to test the writing strategies for DVD burners, hence the tilt angle test. But that isn't the only facility he built into it. And even if it were, it wouldn't necessarily imply that he wrote it to test those writing strategies using the burners. For all we know the DVD-ROMs are more "accurate" readers and he wrote it to work with them for the read testing.
I don't get it, rdgrimes. You are smarter than this, and you have lots of experience with testing media. Why are you being so closed minded about this and refusing to acknowledge the obvious truths, truths that you have acknowledged in the past when discussing CD burning? Do you have an agenda you are trying to promote? Are only people who buy Lite-On burners, such as yourself, entitled to test and present DVD media burning test results? In the end all of you have to say is that one has to have faith that the burner is correct. I'm sorry, but that is not good enough.
If you want to decide, without any evidence one way or the other, that your 401S is the only standard for measuring PI/PO errors, that is your business. Test away and be happy in the privacy of your own home. But don't publicly make bold, sweeping pronouncements that only the 401S (and potentially upcoming 411S) can be used for PI/PO testing and that DVD-ROMs can not. You have absolutely no
evidence to support such a contention, and you are doing a disservice to the community by propagating such nonsense. Saying something is so often enough does not make it so, but in the world of the Internet unfounded rumors such as this do, unfortunately, take a life of their own. If
some evidence eventually does surface that proves that only burners can safely be used for PI/PO testing, then by all means at that time shout it from all the rooftops and I will be right with you cheering you on. But until that time, please refrain from posting unfounded speculation as proven fact.