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Postby Bhairav on Thu Jun 30, 2005 6:25 am

frank1 wrote:If you put the MID code TTH01 in the same MediaMatch link
you get to:
http://www.mediamatch.de/mediainfo.php? ... 3ATTH01%5D
and it says: "no further records in our database at the moment"



This factory at Basharge in Luxembourg is only about 100 km from my home
but I have never been there ...

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When I go to a shop:
- and I buy a TDK DVD-R 1-8X ScratchProof I get a TTH01 code
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- when I buy a "normal" one I get a TTG02 code
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In both cases I get the same 3 adresses on the back of the packing:
BASHARAGE, Australia North Sydney and Singapore and no mention "Made in ... "


I am very pleased with the writing quality of this new ScratchProof TTH01
for example in my Pioneer A07 burner,
but the variability of MID codes in TDK packages are a mysterious story ...


I already wrote about this story here:
http://forum.gravure-news.com/viewtopic.php?t=15992
At the beginning the TDK DVD-R 4x I was getting where even Taiyo Yuden TYG01 !!


Yep, there were some TYG01 4X -R discs reported in India as well.
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Postby Scour on Thu Jun 30, 2005 6:34 am

[quote="frank1"
At the beginning (around the year 2003) the TDK DVD-R 4x certified I was getting in shpos under the same logo printed on the package where even Taiyo Yuden TYG01 !![/quote]

My TDK DVD-R 4x are TTG01 (CMC). But I had no problems with it.
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Postby jsl on Thu Jun 30, 2005 6:42 am

Most writers seem make no difference of TTH01 media and TTG02 media and show TTG02 MID for both...
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Postby frank1 on Thu Jun 30, 2005 6:46 am

Scour wrote:I want to test this media, but I´m not sure when I order tDK -R 8x if I get TTH01 or TTG02


Dear "Scour" I don't know from where in Germany you are
but I can tell you (I live in France) that I have been able to buy
the TTH01 MID code
at the shop Mediamarkt in OFFENBURG (Bad Würtemberg)

but in a package of 5 jewel cases labelled : TDK DVD-R 8x ScratchProof
(see a picture in my post above)

This TTH01 had a very good burning quality in my Pioneer A07 (firmware 1.21 / max burning speed available: 8x)


So I wish you good luck with your local MediaMarkt
- because they do not have the same TDK blanks in MediaMarkt at Freiburg in Breisgau !



You could also check the online trader "OS-Mediatrade" from Germany:


http://www.os-mediatrade.de/advanced_se ... 1&x=50&y=8

http://www.os-mediatrade.de/index.php?m ... rers_id=24
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:42 am

frank1 wrote:About MAM-A using MID codes from TDK there was recently this news at cd.freaks:
http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/11930


That particular news was posted on CDRlabs many hours before it appeared on CDFreaks.
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Postby frank1 on Thu Jun 30, 2005 1:18 pm

I have been reading this link given by jsl to the end

and I understand from this webpage that:
TTG02 is manufactured in Japan (or Taïwan)
TTH01 is manufactured in Luxembourg
despite the fact that many drives return incorrect information with DVD Identifier or DVDinfoPro


The drive I use NEC 3500 with firmware 2.19 makes a distinction beetween both.
As "alexnoe" said before [Page 1 of this thread]
the TTH01 code can be written at 16x in the NEC 3500 (latest firmware)
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Thu Jun 30, 2005 2:27 pm

I'm pretty sure my TDK 8x DVD-Rs with TTG02 code are made in Taiwan.... I'll try to find out! :wink:
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Postby frank1 on Fri Jul 01, 2005 2:34 am

1°) I had a look on one of the jewel case of an "old" TDK DVD-R 4x with MID code TYG01
In this old and good times you could read at the back of the jewel case:
"Made in Japan / Fabriqué au Japon"
but the (not always correct ?) "MediaMatch" link indicated Fuerth in Germany
http://www.mediamatch.de/mediainfo.php? ... 3ATYG01%5D


2°) With TTG01 or DVD+R code "RICOHJPN-R01-002"
I use to read "Made in Taïwan" at the back

3°) Since TTG02 and "TTH01" [DVD-R scratchproof]
or "TDK-002" [DVD+R scratchproof]
I can find at the back of the jewel case only the 3 adresses: Luxembourg, Australia and Singapore but no indication "made in ..."

4°) Now to finish the story with the last TDK discs I bought (in Germany)
DVD-R 16x code "TTH02"
DVD+R 16x code "TDK-003-000"
DVD+R DL code "RICOHJPN-D00-001"
I found at the back of the jewel case
only the adress of BASHARAGE Grand Duchy of Luxembourg (the 2 others adresses not anymore)
I suppose that the DL discs with the code Ricoh are not made in Luxembourg ...


So the story with TDK is quite complicated and I stopped bying TDK for a while because you never knew what you are going to get

But now if the TTH01 is so excellent and made in Luxemburg I might drive to the factory at Basharge during the coming holidays to hijack the whole production !!! :D
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Postby RJW on Fri Jul 01, 2005 10:26 am

frank1 wrote:1°) I had a look on one of the jewel case of an "old" TDK DVD-R 4x with MID code TYG01
In this old and good times you could read at the back of the jewel case:
"Made in Japan / Fabriqué au Japon"
but the (not always correct ?) "MediaMatch" link indicated Fuerth in Germany
http://www.mediamatch.de/mediainfo.php? ... 3ATYG01%5D

That's the adress of TY Europe. (Fuerth in Deutschland :D )


DVD+R DL code "RICOHJPN-D00-001"
I found at the back of the jewel case
only the adress of BASHARAGE Grand Duchy of Luxembourg (the 2 others adresses not anymore)
I suppose that the DL discs with the code Ricoh are not made in Luxembourg ...

No there made in taiwan. RITEK has a exclusive contract for manufactureing RICOH Dual Layer disc's for OÉM's.
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Postby Scour on Fri Jul 01, 2005 1:05 pm

frank1 wrote:Dear "Scour" I don't know from where in Germany you are
but I can tell you (I live in France) that I have been able to buy
the TTH01 MID code
at the shop Mediamarkt in OFFENBURG (Bad Würtemberg)

but in a package of 5 jewel cases labelled : TDK DVD-R 8x ScratchProof
(see a picture in my post above)

This TTH01 had a very good burning quality in my Pioneer A07 (firmware 1.21 / max burning speed available: 8x)


So I wish you good luck with your local MediaMarkt
- because they do not have the same TDK blanks in MediaMarkt at Freiburg in Breisgau !



You could also check the online trader "OS-Mediatrade" from Germany:


http://www.os-mediatrade.de/advanced_se ... 1&x=50&y=8

http://www.os-mediatrade.de/index.php?m ... rers_id=24


I live near Frankfurt am Main.

My local Media-Markt don´t have much media and the prices are much higher than in a Media-Markt directly in Frankfurt.

Maybe I order some MAM with TTH01-Code from Cdfreaks-Shop
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Postby frank1 on Fri Jul 01, 2005 1:22 pm

Scour wrote:Maybe I order some MAM with TTH01-Code from Cdfreaks-Shop

Are they from MAM-E (Europe) with a TTH01 MID code?

The MAM-E factory for Europe is located at ENSISHEIM (Alsace) which is not far from my home.
I think in a couple of weeks I will know if they manufacture TTH01 MID codes there
I suspect that ENSISHEIM could even supply sometimes TDK with this TTH01 code ...

MAM-E has has a website with an on-line shop: www.mam-e.com
but they do not show any MID code on that site
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Postby RJW on Fri Jul 01, 2005 2:08 pm

No you will not because MAM-E has a very bad reputation when you ask questions like that.
They won't answer.
Every question that might be explained in a problematic way is not answered.
Really this companny doesn't seem to take time for it's users.

Just for the folks who don't know.
MAM-E dual layer is RITEK D01. However you won't hear this from MAM-E themselves at least that's my and other people's experience.
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Postby Scour on Fri Jul 01, 2005 5:40 pm

frank1 wrote:
Scour wrote:Maybe I order some MAM with TTH01-Code from Cdfreaks-Shop

Are they from MAM-E (Europe) with a TTH01 MID code?

The MAM-E factory for Europe is located at ENSISHEIM (Alsace) which is not far from my home.
I think in a couple of weeks I will know if they manufacture TTH01 MID codes there
I suspect that ENSISHEIM could even supply sometimes TDK with this TTH01 code ...

MAM-E has has a website with an on-line shop: www.mam-e.com
but they do not show any MID code on that site


http://shop.cdfreaks.com/index/4/2/2/551

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Postby frank1 on Mon Jul 11, 2005 9:45 pm

There are Taiyo Yuden MID codes sold under the brand MAM-E:
http://shop.cdfreaks.com/index/4/2/0/431
100 Mam-E DVD+R 8x TY (100)
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The TTH01 MID code from TDK is also sold under this brand MAM-E:
http://shop.cdfreaks.com/index/4/2/2/551
Mitsui (TDK) DVD-R 8X (25)
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Some experts would probably tell that the first one with YUDEN000-T02 code is a fake
and will probably not burn properly in most burners ...

Now what do you think about this TTH01 code sold under the MAM-E name ?
Do these MAM-E branded burn as well as the TTH01 "ScratchProof" TDK branded ?
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Mon Jul 11, 2005 10:20 pm

as it happens, some of my MAM-A 8x DVD-Rs are TTG02.... so I have TTH01 *and* TTG02 TDK code media made by Mitsui.

Wacky!
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Postby RJW on Tue Jul 12, 2005 4:58 am

MAM(-E) makes a lot of cd-r's for TDK so I don't think they would hijack TDK's code.
I will look up some linke for some home scans.
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Postby Scour on Tue Jul 12, 2005 6:33 am

dolphinius_rex wrote:as it happens, some of my MAM-A 8x DVD-Rs are TTG02.... so I have TTH01 *and* TTG02 TDK code media made by Mitsui.

Wacky!


I´m read somewhere that some DVD-writers show TTG02 although other writer shows TTH01-code with the same media?
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Tue Jul 12, 2005 6:53 am

Scour wrote:
dolphinius_rex wrote:as it happens, some of my MAM-A 8x DVD-Rs are TTG02.... so I have TTH01 *and* TTG02 TDK code media made by Mitsui.

Wacky!


I´m read somewhere that some DVD-writers show TTG02 although other writer shows TTH01-code with the same media?


Well, I have two different discs from the same spindle of samples. One disc reads as TTH01 in at least 4 different drives (BenQ DW1640, BenQ DW1620, LiteON SOHW-832s, and Plextor PX-712a), and the other disc shows as being TTG02, and is consistantly so in the same 4 drives.
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Postby frank1 on Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:12 am

This "fact" has been published in this link towards the end of the webpage

I read usualy the MID code in a NEC 3500 burner
using DVD Identifier v.3.6.2, but if I use a Pioneer 107 or a LG 4163B
I always get the same result:

TTG02 - Made in Asia, only ??
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TTH01 - Made in Luxembourg, only ??
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Postby frank1 on Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:15 am

But my main question is:
Do these MAM-E branded with MID code TTH01 burn as well as
the ones with the"ScratchProof" from TDK andf same code TTH01 ?
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Postby RJW on Tue Jul 12, 2005 12:20 pm

Maybe you should ask MAM-E/A or TDK that question. :D
Also with MAM-E/A CSI behaviour I recommend avoiding it.

If I were you I prefered TDK or buying from TDK's factory directly.
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Tue Jul 12, 2005 12:29 pm

frank1 wrote:This fact has been published in this link toward the end of the webpage

I read my TTH01 MID code in a NEC 3500 burner


Wow... all my drives expect the NEC 3500 are listed as seeing the disc as TTG02, and not TTH01.... which makes me wonder, what about the disc I *DID* see as TTH01?

Anyways, I hooked up my NEC 3500a, and the disc my other drives saw as TTG02 still shows as being TTG02 in it.

I also dug out my TTH01 disc, and it still reads as TTH01 in my NEC 3500a as well.
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Postby frank1 on Sat Aug 06, 2005 12:14 am

Somebody reported that after buying a spindle of 50 DVD-R 8x with the label TDK,
here at nierle.com:
http://www.nierle3.com/s01.php?sid=PG00 ... a&bnr=2302
they sowed up under DVD Identifier (in a Pioneer 107D drive FW 1.21)
to have the MID code TTH01 and not TTG02 as advertised by nierle.

All the TDK DVD-R 8x (with the usual "blue" look) I bought in jewel cases showed the MID code TTG02 also with a Pioneer 107D and a NEC 3500.
All the "grey" looking TDK DVD-R 8x Scratchproof I bought in jewel cases had the MID code TTH01

Usually it happens that TDK DVD in spindles have a "worse" MID code than the one in jewel cases,
for example: "CMC-Mag F01" for the DVD+R 4x in spindles of 25.
So I try to understand why this time people like nierle.com sell the TTH01 to the price of TTG02 (24,99 € for 50):
http://www.nierle3.com/s01.php?sid=PG00 ... =&zu=&azn=


Can somebody explain if it is possible that during the manufacturing process of these discs by TDK it could happen by error that
- they became a TTG02 dye
- but a TTH01 MID code (or even a "crooked" indication of MID code that shows up sometimes as TTG02 or TTH01)
In that case a TTG02 dye would be burned under a strategy aimed for a TTH01 dye
and that could lead to some problems
(for example a TTH01 code can be overspeeded to 16x in a NEC 3500 FW 2.19 or 2.1A)




I could be interesting to ask people to report the MID codes and origin of their TDK DVD-R 8x in spindle of 25 or 50
and to start a list of "Genuine TTH01" labels

BTW does anybody know for sure which label of TTH01 was used for the c't magazine tests?
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Postby RJW on Fri Oct 14, 2005 7:44 am

Bringing this topic back up.

If I'm lucky then I finally might be able to play arround with this one.
Untill earlier I could hardly get TDK 8x DVD-R except for really nasty prices which means no option however if I'm lucky then this problem is solved this month.

But let me first start with answering some stuff.
It is possible that a production fault can change the code from TTH01 to TTG01 or TTG02 or TTH02 (TDK's 16x code !!) and the other way arround.
Just mispress it !!
Also a bad report of a code by a drive is possible. I have seen this with DVD identifier that codes being screwed up.
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Postby Scour on Fri Oct 14, 2005 7:52 am

RJW wrote:
But let me first start with answering some stuff.
It is possible that a production fault can change the code from TTH01 to TTG01 or TTG02 or TTH02 (TDK's 16x code !!) and the other way arround.
Just mispress it !!


The TTH are made in Europe, the TTG in Taiwan, is this right?

So if I read Taiwan on the package, it is TTG?
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